Staying in the EU

[jones20]

Just watching Farage giving his speech in Brussels he has done us no favours at all I voted out don't regret but I didn't wake up Friday morning and feel great about it I knew the pound and stock markets would take a hit and we will now pay for it we may get out of being ruled by Brussels but they are now talking about us having access to the single market which we may well get but they are going to make us pay for that and in reality will cost us more then £350 million a week that the leave campaign said we could save.Osborn has said to expect tax raises and government spending so thinks are going to get a loss worst before getting better I suggest you hold on to your hats

[Bricoates]

Ivor I go back to my last question as I have not been living in Wales for many years why have they bitten off the hand that feeds them

Is there a price on Freedom, democracy and Sovereignty?

[jones20]

You forgot to mention stupidly

[steve bird]

Fear of the unknown scaremongering doom and gloom most of the remain stamping their feet the jocks crying into their watered down whiskey northern Irish wobbling in their Guinness 27 EU members screaming you will pay but let's be honest no one knows nothing no one can say with certain what will happen me I do know I voted out right or wrong me I do believe in my country me I do believe all will be well in time to come without the EU telling us with out the EU making demands on us we can trade with the whole world we can deport foreign prisoners we can deport illegal immigrants we can still have legal immigration we will be just as safe and I believe my children and grandchildren will be better off independent from the EU just saying stupidity or not

[jones20]

It will be interesting to see if the scots go for a referendum whist in scotand it was a remain vote by one million votes what is not mentioned is 1.3 million scots did not vote.The EU will go out of the way to allow scotland in to spite the rest of us.But what they need to remember is at the moment they have self rule and if they went into the EU that would end Brussels would then tell them what to do.At the end of the day she does not want to be remember as the First Minister of Scotland but the First President of Scotland.As I have said before lets cut them loose and all the money we send up to them can be diverted to the rest of the UK and by the way our submarine fleet comes south of the border along with the 6000 jobs that go with it

[Dave Wozencroft]

OK good people we voted and we are out of the EU, so less of the bickering and time to get on with our lives ...

[ivor43]

hi.

Dave. Sorry Buddy but We Are Not Out of The EU. You need to check the Facts. The Referendum was only Advisory and has No Legal Standing. We are Still in until at least 2 years after Clause 50 is triggered, if it is ever. The Final Decision re Clause 50 is down to the Government NOT the Referendum, and as the greater part of the MP's seem to be for remain Brexit may never happen. IT is highly probable that the House of Lords would not pass it.
I doubt that any Government would risk the Break up of the UK. Scotland becoming Independent and NI rejoining with the rest of Ireland. A majority of just 3.8% is too close for comfort. So as you say, let us get on with our lives as Members, for the Foreseeable future, of the EU.


ivor

[jones20]

hi.

Dave. Sorry Buddy but We Are Not Out of The EU. You need to check the Facts. The Referendum was only Advisory and has No Legal Standing. We are Still in until at least 2 years after Clause 50 is triggered, if it is ever. The Final Decision re Clause 50 is down to the Government NOT the Referendum, and as the greater part of the MP's seem to be for remain Brexit may never happen. IT is highly probable that the House of Lords would not pass it.
I doubt that any Government would risk the Break up of the UK. Scotland becoming Independent and NI rejoining with the rest of Ireland. A majority of just 3.8% is too close for comfort. So as you say, let us get on with our lives as Members, for the Foreseeable future, of the EU.


ivor

ivor what's come first MPs voting or article 50 being signed

[ivor43]

Hi.
A very good question. and i must admit i am not sure. But i would think it likely that the MPs would have to vote on it first. I very much doubt that the PM alone would have the authority.As i said before there is an added problem here. as DC is resigning the authority of his replacement is possibly open to question( elected by the party). and i strongly suspect that a General Election will be called. If this should happen then i suspect that the Main Campaigning point will be the EU membership. and only on this result would Clause 50 be triggered.
However this is only my opinion. i will look into this.


ivor

[ivor43]

Hi again.
the following is an extract from a page re the Treaty which is linked below.
I believe that the Wording of the last line refers to a Parliamentary Vote, with whatever that entails.


The exit process is triggered by a letter, or perhaps an email. If Britain votes to leave, this only becomes a legal reality once the prime minister informs the European Council, which is made up of the president and 28 heads of state and government. The clause makes clear that it is for the member state to decide to start the exit process -- the trigger cannot be pulled by anyone else. Only the British government can decide when to invoke Article 50.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...EU-Treaty.html



ivor