saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

[Baconwallah]

while i have no real idea of German.I suspect this is an extract of his service record. Promoted to I/C 8 Pl 12.40. and to Lt on 20.4.42. So prior to 12/40 he was just an OR.
Both these within the ''Adolph Hitler''.

Quite correct, Ivor. Dix was a 2nd Lt (Unterscharführer), age 20, at the time of the Fall of France. He is not mentioned in any of the books I have on the subject of the SS and must have been a very obscure junior officer who never rose past the rank of Lt.

John

[Verrieres]

I might be able to help a little more on this but I am waiting on the postman to deliver me a copy of the `St Venant trial papers` I don't know if it actually came to trial but these are the papers detailing the suspects and the units involved I am reliably informed ? We will see of course, I must point out that there are no mentions of Anthony in the file and they concentrate on the `four` adopted cases,
In respect of the `deaths head` insignia it has to be remembered that German Army Panzer units also wore a skull insignia on their lapels...............OOooops Is that the door bell?

Jim

[dcdl12976]

Jim I look forward to the suspects list, yes I meant to mention about the Panzer units deaths head but clean forgot. There was instance of the Russians mistakenly executing Panzer troops in there black uniforms with deaths head collar patches believing them to be SS

[ivor43]

John.
as it took him 16 months to go from 2nd to Lt, i think there is a distinct possibility he may have been killed before he could progress any further. as i understand it he was killed somewhere in the east.

[Baconwallah]

as i understand it he was killed somewhere in the east.

Wouldn't surprisae me, Ivor.

John

[ivor43]

John.
Maybe you can answer this. Would the SS remove their own people if they ''broke the rules''. I was looking through ''Fieldgraw net'' for any possible ref to Dix, and an item in it referred to an execution of an Officer. i think it was in German so i didn't bother with it. I know that discipline was quite hard in the SS but that seems a bit extreme.



ivor

[Baconwallah]

That certainly happened, ivor. Discipline was harsh, lapses were not tolerated. Mind you, their idea of right and wrong was rather different from ours.

As an afterthought: discipline within the SS was rather like the discipline of the Freikorps, the volunteer companies who fought the socialist and communist insurrections in Germany in 1918-1920. A crime against the group or its members would be punished quickly and without compassion, a crime against outsiders on the other hand was rarely a problem.

John

[Verrieres]

i think i have the right guy.

Ostuf. Rudolf Dix
Postby Moniroth You-Bell on 12 Apr 2013, 07:16


Ostuf. Rudolf Dix


B:16.12.19
Ostuf. 18(Aufkl.)/SS-PGR.2 9.43
Ostuf. LSSAH 4.42
Ustuf. 8./LSSAH 12.40
SS:357248 Ostuf:20.4.42


while i have no real idea of German.I suspect this is an extract of his service record. Promoted to I/C 8 Pl 12.40. and to Lt on 20.4.42. So prior to 12/40 he was just an OR maybe NCO.
Both these within the ''Adolph Hitler''. No Mention of ''Totemkopf''.
I wonder. could he have used 'False Insignia' to cover up his actions.

will keep looking


ivor

Well the file arrived but I have yet to look at it in detail but while we wait I`m afraid I`m going to add a little fuel to the `Dix` fire. I do not think you have the right `Dix`. There are lots of Dixs and there are five listed on the German `Grabersuche Online` all killed in action/died . One is an Oberstumbanfuhrer Rudolf Herman Dix born 16th February 1917 presumably by the rank a member of the SS .There is no recorded date of death for him but he died on the Eastern Front .Rudolf Hermann Dix has not yet been transferred to a military cemetery and according to their information his grave is still at the following location : Zhitomir - Ukraine. Another possibility for you Ivor?

Jim

[ivor43]

Thanks Jim.
first. may i wish you all a Happy New Year.
My friend i am only too pleased that you have found some more as mine appears very unlikely. so well done.


ivor

[ivor43]

morning .
and a happy new year to all.
Once the LSSAH was taken out of the picture, then the ''Totenkopf'' takes it's place. They were active in the area. So i have been looking at their activity after May 40. interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_...emjansk_Pocket


this puts them in the area.
see following link.


http://www.distancefromto.net/between/Kharkov/Zhytomyr


so i think your Rudolf Hermann Dix could be a very strong candidate. He appears to be in the right places at the right times and even dies in the right area. Maybe we should look at him in more detail if possible.
Dave this could be the guy you found the photo's of.




ivor