'I'd rather employ a paedophile than a hero'

[jcj]

Karl Winn, 60, said he would rather 'recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters' than employ former servicemen or women.

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http://www.webeurope.co.uk/press-release.php

[BennytheBall]

Probably one of these "do gooders," you never know he might be a candidate for our
3000th member LOL

[Smokeyjoe]

I suspect that someting will hit the fan shortly after his comments, I wonder how his employees feel being compared with ex criminals etc.
On reflection he may be mad having a buisiness close to the Royal Marines and making such stupid comments.
Joe.

[John Turner]

"Mr Winn's staff were later seen removing corporate signs from outside his office, which employs 16 people"

I don't blame them - guessing they're trawling the sits vac pages at the mo' and also guessing that many that have had a website hosted/designed by him that is aware of this will be looking for a new host/designer.

Also guessing that many will be doing their utmost to make sure his existing customers are made aware of his statements and references. If he was my website designer I'd drop him like a stone and if I was aware of any business that I used that had him as a web host, or rather that kept him on after this - I'd drop them like a stone too - and the same would apply whether I served in the forces or not. You can't compare kiddy-fiddlers to HMF and get away with it - no matter what you 'really meant'

Knob Jockey.

[5haron]

What an ****!

[steve bird]

what a first class bleeping txxxer with luck it might lose buisness and home after a prize comment like that.

[bennyball2]

Just found this on their web site; Press statement

webeurope - press statement
Extract from a Press Statement issued by Relatives for Justice on 13th March 2010

"'Webeurope .. have heard at first hand the true extent of the role of the British army, the trauma, hurt and anguish caused - importantly they have acted to heal, support and address in their own way the awful legacy left behind as a direct consequence of British state violence in our country. 'For that we are greatly indebted to them and in particular Karl Winn whose commitment to non-violence means, human rights, social justice, compassion and humanity are an example to us all.'

Background

Karl Winn, Webeurope's founder and principle owner, has for many years supported numerous organisations (NGO's), such organisations include: -

The International Human Rights Network - Supporting others in applying Human Rights Based Approaches to UN Agencies, countries, and organisations.
Film Makers Against War - FAW seeks to educate and raise awareness of UK and international war law
Art and Sacred Places - Encourages the interaction of art and religion by commissioning artists to make work in sacred places.
Relatives for Justice – A northern Ireland based organisation that supports and campaigns on behalf of the families of the 367 men, women, and children, who have been killed by members of the British Military and Police services. The campaign seeks to bring the perpetrators of such killings before the courts.
Overview

Between 5th and 9th of March, there was a private and personal email exchange between Karl Winn and Graham Brown the Managing Director of Forces Recruitment Services Ltd. FRS specialises in the recruitment of ex-British Army personnel, as part of the “Hire-A-Hero” campaign.

In those emails Karl Winn stated that his personal preference would be to offer employment even to ex-offenders, rather than British Military personnel because at least the former had been investigated, and bought before the courts, and held accountable for their actions. “The reality for the families of their victims is that there will never be any justice, and there never will be any closure, for the loss of a son, a husband, a child, or a family member who has fallen victim to British Military personnel who are going beyond "just doing their job".

“The reality from the north of Ireland, to Afghanistan and Iraq, is that the perpetrators of such atrocities will always be free to get on with their lives, safe in the knowledge that the policy of the British Government is to ensure their protection from prosecution”.

... “we are not talking about people who do their duty. Nobody is going to condemn any service man or woman for that. What I'm referring to is the unwillingness of far too many service men and women to give evidence against those who commit criminal offences. .. I'm not talking about incidents that happen in the heat of battle against armed combatants, but actions, that by any standard, amount to murder, or other such crimes against a civilian population. However, I accept we'll never agree on this. Your allegiance is to the British Military - mine is on the side of its victims”.

Forces Recruitment Services Ltd subsequently passed copies of those private emails to The Sun newspaper.

PRESS RELEASE

12th March 2010 - Statement by Mark Thompson Director of Relatives for Justice on British state violence in Ireland and of the support received by Webeurope in terms of addressing the awful legacy of hurt and pain.

'Throughout the conflict in Ireland the British army and the RUC acted with impunity regarding its actions. In particular the provision of impunity surrounded virtually all of the 367 direct killings by the State – most of these perpetrated by the British army. These were predominantly, yet not exclusively, perpetrated against the nationalist/republican and Catholic community. The vast majority of those targeted and killed were uninvolved civilians – men, women and children.

'Of those non-State combatants killed many were killed in preplanned premeditated circumstances in which safe and effective arrests were possible yet political and military decisions were taken to act outside of the rule of law and to kill people rather than to act and adhere to international and domestic legal requirements.

'The overall criminal justice system tasked to examine all of these killings and hold to account those responsible was completely circumvented beyond recognition and comparability to criminal justice systems (a) functioning within the same jurisdiction such as England, Scotland and Wales or (b) of any other functioning democracy within the European Union.

'The corruption of the rule of law included investigations by the Royal Military Police, the RUC, the role of the then DPP, and the inquests courts in which the objective was to provide the cosmetic appearance that ‘justice’ processes were at work whilst in reality these were routinely perfunctory and thus wholly ineffective from the point of view of those bereaved.

'Added to this was the systemic policy of misinformation concerning events surrounding killings by the State and the practice of character assassination as the propaganda machine of the establishment sought to both justify killings and highlight the threats and dangers under which the British army and RUC operated.


Many of those killed were labelled ‘gunmen and gunwomen’ and civilian witnesses were harassed, intimidated and threatened in a bid to deter them from providing evidence that was at odds with ‘official’ versions of what occurred. It was/is against these odds that families and communities began the arduous struggle to tell the truth, establish facts and seek justice. Bereaved relatives were oftentimes publicly vilified, harassed and threatened.

'All of these actions were essential to the broader political and military policy objectives of the British Government in relation to the North of Ireland and cannot be seen in isolation. Rather these are the very nuts and bolts of the working policy of providing impunity to British soldiers, RUC officers and members of so-called ‘special forces’ deployed in the North of Ireland.

'In documents discovered under the 30-year rule in London an insight into the political and military thinking of the early 1970’s clearly establishes the rationale of British military tactics in which senior military figures cite the ‘shock and stun’ effects that they seek to deploy as part of the policy around internment and Operation Motorman.

'In addition to this the policy of collusion with illegal paramilitary groups was widespread with agents secreted into all the main groupings which was a central plank in the overall policy objective of collusion. In particular MI5's Force Research Unit (FRU) of the British army infiltrated, controlled and directed loyalist groupings to such an extent that they were able to selected scores of citizens for political assassinations and consequently facilitated loyalism to conduct a sectarian murder campaign that claimed hundreds of lives with an arsenal of weapons imported by MI5 from the old apartheid regime in South Africa.

'These incidents have been globally documented and are a matter of fact. The British government were effectively sanctioning the murders of its own citizens in the North of Ireland during the conflict - citizens that they had both a moral and legal duty to protect. The British army were at the core of implementing this policy.

'Relatives for Justice has had tremendous support from people in Britain over the years and that support came in many forms, from former serving members of the British army, British politicians, solidarity groups, and ordinary members of the British public.

'Webeurope are an example of the type of practical support that has been both show and demonstrated in their charitable commitment to our organisation. They have heard at first hand the true extent of the role of the British army, the trauma, hurt and anguish caused - importantly they have acted to heal, support and address in their own way the awful legacy left behind as a direct consequence of British state violence in our country.

'For that we are greatly indebted to them and in particular Karl Winn whose commitment to non-violence means, human rights, social justice, compassion and humanity are an example to us all.'

[Ianto 10]

What a sad little fatherless child!

[Bricoates]

I wonder how many members of "Relatives For Justice" condone the comments made by this poor, sorry individual about employing child molesters, and the statement by it's Director Mark Thompson that he is:- "Indebted to Webeurope and Karl Wynn for his commitment to non-violence means, Human rights, Social justice, Compassion and Humanity are an example to us all", How many rights, Justice, Compassion and Humanity do these child molesters show to they're young victims, the family of these defenseless victims also go through the awful legacy of hurt and pain.

[wally15]

I wont print the name but this dirt bag should be sent to the Bn for a tour to see it in real life, he wll soon rethink his words. wally 15