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    Re: saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

    Hello

    Update ;- No contact I`m afraid from the Newspapers but Tony informs me they have published it anyway, its not the version I sent them and there`s some glaring mistakes particularly in the Anniversary year but as they say "any publicity is good publicity". Newspaper version online at

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...ar-old-9141598

    The original text I sent them from 2013 just for a comparison

    On the 15th May 1940 Richard Annand of the 2nd Durham Light Infantry won the British Army`s first VC of the second World War yet less than twelve days later this fine battalion were fighting for their lives in the small French Town of St Venant.
    On the 27th May 1940 the German Army and units of the Waffen SS drove on relentlessly towards the beleagued British troops gathered around Dunkirk.In their way were men of the British 2nd Infantry Division of which the 2nd Durhams were part.
    Amongst the Durhams that day was a 25year old lad from Scotswood, Private Anthony Corkhill,a pre- war regular who had already seen service on the North West Frontier ,India and in the Sudan, was born on May 31st 1912 one of five siblings having three brothers and one sister. The family consisted of Joseph , Anthony ,sister Edith ,Thomas and Robert
    Anthony Corkhill was born in Birkett Street, which was considered one of the worst places to live in Wallsend with up to four families sharing an outside toilet and slum conditions throughout the house.
    With only two years difference in age, brothers Joseph and Anthony were inseparable and both attended the Western School in Wallsend. Shortly after the birth of their youngest brother,Robert the two brothers came home from school to find that their mother, who had been suffering with severe post-natal depression had incredibly been taken away to what was then known as Morpeth Lunatic Asylum.
    It is unlikely that the boys ever saw their mother again and were raised by their maternal grandmother and their Aunt Rosie Kilpatrick who later married Tom Winship a professional football with Arsenal in the 1920s. Anthonys mother spent the rest of her life in the asylum and died in 1928. She was just 42 years old.
    A daily routine for the two lads from the time of their mother's hospitalisation was searching the pubs in Wallsend to find their father in order to get him to send money to their granny so that she could buy food. It was a short time later in 1931 that Anthony Corkhill decided to join the Army enlisting into the Durhams in June 1931.
    Nine years later Anthony Corkhill found himself fighting with the 2nd DLI alongside men of The Royal Welch Fusiliers and The Royal Berkshire Regiment. You will find little written in the History Books regarding the Battle of St Venant which is strange considering the ferocious nature of the encounter and the great loss of life which occured here.
    The small communal cemetery in St Venant holds 177 casualties from the conflict included in this are 90 British soldiers exhumed from a mass grave of which 40 souls still remain `known unto God`. The small well kept plots contain 70 soldiers of The Durham Light Infantry.
    On the evening of the 27th May 1940 the battle for St Venant ended. As the few surviving prisoners were being marched away into captivity Regimental Sergeant Major Archie Goddard ,heard a voice call to him fron the canal bank it was Anthony Corkhill who was wounded in both legs and the neck. The RSM begged the Germans to take Anthony Corkhill with them,they refused,there was no way of carrying Anthony over the rough terrain and the Germans ordered the RSM to leave Pte Corkhill for the Germans own Field Ambulance units which were operating in the area.
    As the prisoners were led away none of them realised they would never see Anthony Corkhill again. On the 27th May 1940 Anthony Corkhill simply dissappeared. No record was ever found of him being treated by the Germans,no record was ever found of his capture,so what happened to Anthony Corkhill?
    The mystery deepens with the date of Anthony`s death officially given as 29th May 1940 two days after the last reported sighting or was it. The Commonwealth War Graves list Anthony as having no known grave commemorated on the Dunkirk Memorial with a date of death recorded as 29th May 1940. On what evidence was the date based on? According to the CWGC they do not hold this information it was provided by the relevent Service Authority at the time. A check on files relating to Durham Light Infantrymen reported missing during the campaign in France in 1940 shows there was no investigation into Anthony Corkhill the file lists him simply as `dead` a Q80 reference is scribbled next to his name.
    A casualty card received by the family shows a date of death of May 29th 1940 as do his service records and his pension date.A further entry in the DLI Non Effective Book also reads `Died in France 29th May 1940`.What evidence is held that covers the two days from the RSM`s meeting with Private Corkhill and his date of death? The family are convinced there is another account, a missing piece in the puzzle of Anthony Corkhills death.
    This is a mystery which has haunted the Corkhill family for nearly 73 years each generation since have sought to find additional information and each in turn have been frustrated by a seemingly lack of official documentation on the casualties at St Venant. Today the search is headed by his nephew also Anthony (Tony) Corkhill. Tony watched his father Joseph search in vain and ultimately die in despair without making any headway in the search for answers.
    War crimes files held at The National Archives include some horrific cases of British soldiers murdered in and around St Venant in May 1940 the Corkhill family are also aware that returning Prisoners of War completed questionaires which included a section to report any mistreatment or war crimes . These details were entered on a Form Q.Does the Q80 reference refer to such a form? These are questions the Corkhill family are hoping can be answered by the Ministry of Defence after a direct request was made to them this week for the release of any information still held relating to the Battle of St Venant and the last days of Anthony Corkhill. The Corkhill family have also forwarded a copy of their enquiry to ther local MP in the hope that he will fully support them in the search for answers.
    The story took another unexpected turn recently when it was discovered that only one other man was recorded as dying at St Venant on the 29th May 1940 another DLI soldier Pte Syd Walt originally from Sunderland died two days after receiving wounds at St Venant he rests within the Communal cemetery at St Venant in the next grave is one of the 40 unknown British Soldiers `Known to God`. Is there a survivor of St Venant still out there who knows the truth about Private Corkhill?

    Jim

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    Re: saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

    I really hope this jogs some memories and proves to the powers that be that this aint going away

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    Whilst waiting for the News article I decided to send this to the MoD;-

    Sent: 30 April 2015 14:42
    To: DBS KI-RecordsPubEnqTeam (MULTIUSER)
    Subject: FOI
    Dear Sir/Madam,
    Would you please advise on the availability of Forms Q used for reporting war
    crimes and mistreatment of British Soldiers during WW2. I am aware that some
    extracts were released to the National Archives however the original `Forms Q`
    were not. The National Archives state "Forms 'Q' were not kept with the main
    report, but passed to the appropriate Allied authorities investigating alleged
    war crimes". The particular Form Q I am enquiring about is numbered `Q 80` and
    deals with events at St Venant France between May 24th-June 1st 1940 I believe
    the series starts at Q57 and runs to Q80.
    During my research into one particular soldier `Form Q80` is quoted against his
    name along with the word `DEAD` his last sighting was on May 27th 1940 wounded
    at St Venant. There are no further records but a date of death is given as May
    29th 1940. The `Missing Men` files which the MoD released to the National
    archives show no indication of any investigation or enquiry into this soldiers
    whereabouts but he does get a single mention with his name, number and `DEAD Q
    80` It is obvious to me and I am sure you will agree that Form Q80 was enough
    for the authorities and service departments to accept this soldier died on May
    29th 1940 and the details contained on this form I believe will give us the
    information needed to find the general area in which his body was buried at
    present he is recorded on the Dunkirk Memorial.


    If Form Q 80 War Office: Directorate of Military Intelligence is still held I
    would like to apply under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and 1998 Data
    Protection Act to have it made accessible. Thank you.
    The soldier in question was a member of The 2nd Battalion The Durham Light
    Infantry.
    Thank You
    Yours Faithfully
    Today I received a not too unexpected reply which does not in my opinion answer the direct FOI request:-
    Thank you for your email
    I have been asked to reply that any information that has survived will be at the National Archives.
    Kind regards
    Carl
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    As the reply took less than four working days it is obvious that no search was made,my reply to them;-
    Dear Carl,
    Thank you for the standard reply which does not answer my FOI request.I was requesting the documents from yourselves as they were not,as stated, passed to the National Archives possibly for the reasons set ot here.
    The Forms Q series of papers deals with the killing and mistreatment of British soldiers in WW2 as these are classed as `personnel documents` I think they would fall into the category for `permanent preservation`.
    According to your own literature to warrant permanent preservation the documents contain either "Codeword material, Service Personnel records , Operational Records and Sensitive information "? Your own selection criteria in the 2014 report even states "Records (for example, evidence, transcripts, reports) of tribunals, commissions, inquiries or inquests that were of particular public interest or had a significant impact on policy or process" The series of `Q Forms` falls into every category.
    The Q Series has `extracts` at the National Archives to produce an extract then the file from which it has been `extracted` must exist?
    These files I detail the loss, circumstances and mistreatment of the British Soldiers are we to assume these records were not `deemed` to be worthy of `permanent preservation` despite your own guidelines? If this is true there must be documentation regarding the specific instructions to have this series of files destroyed please treat this as a double freedom of information request for the `Series Q57-80 St Venant 1940` and/or the document authorising its destruction.
    I would be obliged if your holdings held at Swadlincote, South Derbyshire and your higher classification site at Portsmouth Naval Base be thoroughly checked for this document before reply.
    Thank You
    Yours Faithfully
    Shy Bairnes get nowt :)

    JIm

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    Re: saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

    And now Carl will probably refer you to the CWGC, for a change. Nice try, Jim, but don't hold your breath.

    John

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    Re: saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

    Hi All.

    Jim, Thanks for the updates. I think that you are right in applying pressure, it may work but as John said don't hold your breath. In the course of my digging i found some very interesting info re persons and family connections. which makes me think that certain things have been ''covered up'' Unfortunately i do not think this info is suitable for discussion on an open forum.


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    Hello,
    Do not worry I wont hold my breath however the MoD are advertising themselves as a `Business` and they are now publishing their `criteria` for retaining the documents. I am challenging them to produce the authorisation for Forms Q destruction ,after all every thing is done in triplicate :)
    In recent months original documents have `appeared` for sale in private hands I`m confident that the series Q were never destroyed if they were they will have proof. I`m not sitting back taking their word or that of the CWGC I am researching their own policy and whatever their argument I will attempt to argue back stating their own policies back to them.
    I can prove Q80 existed can they now prove its destroyed given that its `alleged` destruction would be against all their rules and guidelines?
    I think the most damning proof is from the National Archives themselves which I have quoted back in my email today
    The Q Series has `extracts` at the National Archives to produce an extract then the file from which it has been `extracted` must exist?
    You know Carls reply is almost apologetic
    I have been asked to reply that any information that has survived will be at the National Archives.
    Kind regards
    Best Wishes

    Jim

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    Re: saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

    For whatever reason they just don't want this information released is my view. To be stopped like this there MUST be someone very high up and powerful involved

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    Re: saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

    I don't know who handles these enquiries but it appears `Carl` only does what he is told, we need a higher authority I wonder who ultimately replies to my latest mail after this reply today? :-

    Thanks again for your email; you will receive an FOI compliant response
    from a colleague shortly.

    Kind regards

    Carl

    MOD DBS Records Office
    I`ve a feeling they will issue a denial on the account of cost in searching, it`s within their rights under FOI regulations? Of course I can then put in an appeal :)

    I touched on these files a couple of weeks ago these were released in December 2014..then closed following complaints..

    Jim


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    War Office: German Index cards of British and Commonwealth Prisoners of War, Second World War. Unknown (dead) 2.
    Held by: The National Archives - War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
    Date: 1939 - 1945
    Reference: WO 416/416

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    War Office: German Index cards of British and Commonwealth Prisoners of War, Second World War. Unknown (dead) 3.
    Held by: The National Archives - War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
    Date: 1939 - 1945
    Reference: WO 416/417


    Unknown (dead) 1

    War Office: German Index cards of British and Commonwealth Prisoners of War, Second World War. Unknown (dead) 1.
    Held by: The National Archives - War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
    Date: 1939 - 1945
    Reference: WO 416/415

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    Re: saint venant 1940-------farm boulet

    Serco now runs the top levels of DBS so as a private firm they are in it to make money so I fear you may well be right Jim

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    Title: The National Archives' User Forum
    Date: 18 November 2014
    Location: Talks Room
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    2.2 Q. Can we have an update on WO 416? Will the cards be available to order in the first quarter of 2015?

    A. JJo said WO 416 is currently in the building, and is in the transfer process. They will be available soon, though they are loose cards and will need to be viewed under supervision in the invigilation room.

    A. LMO said this arrangement is under review. We will take the matter of WO 416 away.

    If these minuites are correct then they will be available soon but im not holding my breath



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