Tony Blair

**Gwyn Nicholas** · 20-08-2010, 18:20

Same old rhetoric Carl. A party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party. Same old arguments too. The mines - if they were/are productive, Labour could have opened them all back up, they have had three terms do so. Poll tax - again i'll ask you, is the current system fairer (you didn't respond last time) Equipment for our lads- we will always want better stuff for them regardless of who is in power so we will moan. Any war that we or the States get involved with will have to have its carrot at the end of it, how else do you get back any of the money invested in the first place. Would you have rather seen the Russians set up base in the Falklands as you can bet Argentina did not have a purpose for the Islands. Blair put nothing right, at best he kept it at the same level whilst getting us into the biggest reccession since the war. Free milk was given to children in schools back in the day when diets were poor and children needed the extra supplement. That is not true today and is no longer a requirement. Indeed with the problem well reported about childhood obesity is it helpful to give a child full milk on top of what they are consuming or are you actually fueling the problem. As a tax payer I would prefer that money to go to the elderly of this country though I doubt it will. If parents want to give their children more milk, they get enough in child benefits to afford it. You must have something new to add by now Carl. LOL

Hingy this brings out my point about Democracy ie Manifesto v "we'll keep the red flag flying here". Some things will never change.

**dutchman** · 20-08-2010, 19:33

Nick i wonder why you mention the elderly , how old are you now ? I am ducking and running before the answer hits me in the kisser

**Gwyn Nicholas** · 20-08-2010, 19:37

Not quite there yet Dutch but you have to set out your stall dont you. Remember the 7 P's

**dutchman** · 20-08-2010, 20:01

yes but when you get older nick it's 4 p's and one to many
preperation and planning prevents p****** your bed

**bennyball2** · 21-08-2010, 09:17

Originally Posted by Gwyn Nicholas

Same old rhetoric Carl. A party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party. Same old arguments too. The mines - if they were/are productive, Labour could have opened them all back up, they have had three terms do so. Poll tax - again i'll ask you, is the current system fairer (you didn't respond last time) Equipment for our lads- we will always want better stuff for them regardless of who is in power so we will moan. Any war that we or the States get involved with will have to have its carrot at the end of it, how else do you get back any of the money invested in the first place. Would you have rather seen the Russians set up base in the Falklands as you can bet Argentina did not have a purpose for the Islands. Blair put nothing right, at best he kept it at the same level whilst getting us into the biggest reccession since the war. Free milk was given to children in schools back in the day when diets were poor and children needed the extra supplement. That is not true today and is no longer a requirement. Indeed with the problem well reported about childhood obesity is it helpful to give a child full milk on top of what they are consuming or are you actually fueling the problem. As a tax payer I would prefer that money to go to the elderly of this country though I doubt it will. If parents want to give their children more milk, they get enough in child benefits to afford it. You must have something new to add by now Carl. LOL

Hingy this brings out my point about Democracy ie Manifesto v "we'll keep the red flag flying here". some things will never change.

Yes I do think Council tax is fairer, dont think I saw the same riots when that was introduced so a lot of people must have the same thought? Once the mines were closed it would have been very difficult to reopen, so you dont think it was a personal vendeta against the miners? Quote from a documentry I saw, From a Falkland Islander, I spent my school time being educated in Argentina, I think they supplied them with all their needs, all we did was send a little ship around and a hand full of squaddies, and you dont think that was political as she was down in the polls till after the war? Dont know how you can say children dont need the milk in school, there are a lot of families in poverty could be their parents dont want to work, thats not the kids fault. How can you blame the government for the reccession think the Banks and america had something to do with that??? THE LADY IS NOT FOR TURNING think that quote really sums her up, think talking and listening are fundemental to life, she did a lot of talking but never listened Oh and yes I will keep the RED FLAG flying Nice to have a discussion with you Gwynn

**Gwyn Nicholas** · 21-08-2010, 10:13

The poll tax, taxed all working people in a single household which meant if there were four working adults in that house they all paid. Now a household of two pays the same as one of four, six twelve etc. In some places, it depends on which side of a road you live. How can something as plain as that be a fairer system. They may not be rioting but many red flags have been taken down, for the present at least.

So it would have been a little "difficult" to open up the mines, so what. If they were truely viable and profitable, Labour would have opened them. They are not, they did not, and will not simply because this country is holding on to its reserves for future hard/impossible times.

One Falkland Islander gave his/her perspective and that is the be all and end all. What do the majority of the Islanders think. A guy I used to play darts with (ex REME) is married to one who has a totally different view on the subject. She will forever be grateful for the sacrifices our lads made regardless of the Governments ulterior motives for freeing the Islands.

Of course there are poorer families in this country and I am all for looking out for the genuine cases indeed if they are needy then I would advocate giving them free school dinners as well. However to give every school child milk because a small number are on the breadline is just the lunacy that the loony left have become famous/infamous for. Benefits in all their forms are a good thing but they must go to the people who really need them and not those who make a living off the backs of others.

Yes the banks had much to do with the reccession but they were allowed to get out of control by the Government. The people of this country had thier hand in it too, living well above their means and running up enormous individual debt the like of which had never been seen in this country. The same I believe can be said for the USA. Now we all have to bite the bullet and face the cuts or we will go deeper and deeper. New Labour had its chance, it was no different to the old regime. If it had been, I would have voted for them myself as I am not a traditionalist but an individual who wants the best for this country. Will this lot be any better, I dont know but its worth a shot.

I salute your loyalty Carl it is indeed a rare comodity these days. (NO-DUFF)