4189281 Cpl William Christopher Watson - RWF 1930's

Museum has left me a message that they will get some to look into it next week fingers crossed

all my dad remembers is that during the evacuation of gibraltar in 1940 i think it was,they where send to uk and they did go to see him in swansea,but he doesnt know what happened,all he says is that was the last contact with his dad,they came back to gib after the war and his dad,never wrote to him again or had contact with him,after all this years my dad had tears in his eyes talking about it :(

Where did they live in UK in those years Ernest? Were they sent to stay with families or all put in one camp?

Hope that there is success next week
Sue

they were put in camps in london others were send to n ireland jamaica maderia etc,my dads grandmother and my grandmother pop to swansea to see him during that time

Just found this (from the Enlistment Register)

4189281 Watson, William Christopher, Regular, attested 11/07/1930, discharged 10/04/1941.

John

Hi Ernest. I've been thinking how to progress this. If it was my relative, this is what I would do.

Firstly apply for the Death Certificate of William C Watson, who was born in 1911 and died in 1950(Full details below). The Cost is about £9 and it can be ordered on line at:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp You should receive the Death Certificate within about 7-10 days. Once you have that, your ready for the next stage

Details for Death Cert
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Next Complete the attached documents.

Part 1 is completed by your father(or by you, just get him to sign, as he is the NOK).

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Then complete Part 2. Which I have partially done for you.

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You need to tick "C" "Completion Of Regular Peacetime Engagement"
Then enclose a cheque for £30, include the Death Certificate and then send off to the MOD and see what happens.

The crucial bit about Part 2 is they ask for either a Service No or DOB. You have the Service Number so your request should be processed..

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im applying for the death certificate,just to make sure i - have to press england and wales?

age 39 he was still very young that might be a motive for him to lose contact with my dad,if its him of course,did the inlisted register have his number too

Yes its England & Wales.

Regarding the enlistment register, as John confirmed, it included his service number.

Remember we don't know if the death listed is your William. But by using it, you get over the issues of Death Cert requirements on all requests under 116 years since birth of the subject.

hi dont wanna sound stupid lol but is the GRO mumber the date of death ? ..we are not sleeping much with my son his epileptic and autistic,and his all week haveing massive fits again,so my head is not working propely and needs sleep haha,so sorry if i ask a lot thanks

No problem. The GRO number is a series of numbers and details that are shown on the image I supplied on the image regarding the death of William C Watson from Pontypridd.

So tick " Yes" where they ask if you have the GRO index. This will take you to the next page, which you fill out as I have below:

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THANKS apl,really appreciate all your help and the help of the others in this site,its asking for my reference what do i have to put there

If its asking for 'Your Personal Reference" just enter "Watson"

Make sure you've applied for a Death Certificate issued in England & Wales……Not Overseas!

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Can you pls check its ok before ordering do i have to put a order reference on the top

That looks fine Ernest. No need for a reference.

thanks ap1,its his wife my husband is sleeping,we've had a bad night,but i wanted to finnish this for him

thanks for helping my wife finnish what i was doing,hope it was ok for her to go on this site,i have uploaded photos it says pending approvel,there is one with william watson in a hockey team are there any files or photos of rwf hockey teams during that time,dates or something thanks

hope ive uploaded the photos to the album ok ,so that everyone that wants to look at them can

Your picture are in the gallery Ernest, under "Regiment by Decades" 1930's

thanks was wondering where they went :winkicon:,was there any hockey team on those years

I'm sure their was. The battalions did, and still do play most sports.

AP1 do you know anything about those names,i have in one of the photos if they served together,there might be something else,i cant pass the photo here it doesnt let me

What names and which photo Ernest? List them on here please.

in my albums the back of one of the photo says ..taken at Gibraltar w.1933 ..Fisher ,Davies,Parcell,and 3 more names i cant understand well,photo was taken at buena vista:

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its here in my albums ,i havent got the photos any more had to take them back to my dad

Regarding "Parcel" is that spelling correct? or is it spelt " Parsell"
I have found a George Parsell who was born in 1908…so similar age to William. He was killed in Burma in 1943 with the 1st BN. I note on the below certificate that the word "Serjeant" spelt with a "J". Which is a tradition from the 2nd Bn:

First Name:	George
Initials:	G
Surname:	Parsell
DOB:	Circa 1908
Age:	35
Birth County:	Glamorgan.
Resided Town:	Cardiff.
Nationality:	British
Date of Death:	18/03/1943
Information:	HUSBAND OF S. M. PARSELL, OF ILFRACOMBE, DEVON.
Rank:	Serjeant
Service Number:	4187381

I read it as Gym Vests--perhaps a private joke? Also I wasn't certain that that is a Capital H for Hewell as you would expect so maybe some other name? Cumwell ?

Sue

I also thought that Susan, after looking more closely. That would actually fit, because Watson is also there as the 6th man.

Interestingly I've just found this picture from the Sudan in 1938. Look at the man rear rank, 2nd from right. Is that William?

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Its from the website www.rwfphotos.co.uk Its from a collection called Jack Underwood who was in the 2nd Bn in Shanghai in 1937. Then Sudan.

Additionally Ernest, have a good look through theses 14 pages of 2nd Bn photos from the same period, including Gib:
A couple of pictures look like William.

http://www.rwfphotos.co.uk/page1565.html

wow great pics,in the first one you put im not sure,but in the one of 14 pages i think he comes out in a few of them,oh and in one of them there is one called Davies which matches with one of the names that we have at the back of our photo

im thinking that maybe that writing belongs to the other group photo,as sue mention it looks like gym vests,and there is actually a pile of what looks like vests,also because in the file where i copied by dads photos the writing is beside the other photo,can you take a look at the other photo ap1

Right, so the picture relates to this one Ernest, which now makes sense:

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Attachment 3173 Bamhouse, Fisher, Cpl Purcell, H(?)ewell, Davies and Gym Vestshttp://www.zoominto.com/zoomapi/ZoomButt.gif

yes that is the one,if like sue says it might be a joke thing and my grandfather wrote the pile of vest which matches the pic

Ernest do you have any other examples of his writing? I wonder if Hewell could be Lerwell or even ???mell.I believe that there are 3 letters before the well or mell.

Hope that you have more news soon
Sue

there are a few others,here in my profile (i think )of writing behind the photos but i dont think there is more names,thanks im waiting for the death cert fingers crossed

im uploading the xmas cards,it has more writing in them

done they are awaitng approvel,maybe ap1 can post them here when they are approved as i cant sorry

xmas cards have been approved:winkicon: