Gresford Colliery Disaster - RWF Perished

[ap1]

Yes probably. I'm just helping JR gather in the detail. He is planning to list the serving and ex members. As a footnote in the regiments history it should be documented anyway. I'm pretty certain the Gresford group will be grateful for any extra detail about some of the men that you tease out.

[Hywyn]

OK. She has accepted the request now. I'll put some stuff on later

John Edwardson, High Street, Gresford. Very likely 6766 4th RWF of Pant Cottage, Gresford. Has service papers showing right age


Slight problem is matching the 1934 addresses to wartime/Post 1920 book addresses.

[ap1]

I do wonder if there may be more than 27. I assume that figure was based on the serving who died, coupled with those men who were members of the RWFCA.

[Hywyn]

Having not fully read up on it I was going to ask you where the figure 27 came from.

There is the slight difficulty with matching wartime men's addresses with the 1934 ones hence the 'very likely' marker at the moment.

Re Post 1920 book I haven't got addresses etc after the first 7000 i.e 4178001 to 4185000 (where most wartime men are to be found) and only rely on JTs database (sorted into name order*)to match a name which is a bit of an effort with the Jones etc obviously.

Your/JKs decision whether the very likelys are the right ones of course. Where are we up to now with the 27? It's not going to be easy to match the Jones etc


* if you have also sorted it into name order bear in mind, especially with the 'common' surnames, that JT will have entered some in a slightly different format. Given the vast amount of inputting this is not surprising (and not, repeat not, a criticism) His most common format is SURNAME/comma/space/CHRISTIAN name. Those that are not so formatted show in the sorted list after the main bulk. Hope that makes sense.

[ap1]

The figure of 27, comes from the message from the Kings Private Secretary to the regiment, which was published in YDG Dec 1934.

Totals so far: 25

Confirmed RWF(assumed to be Ex):

William Henry Nichols
Harry Nicholls
Edward Llewelyn Rogers

Confirmed Serving with 4RWF:

4186383 Bdsm Frank Hampson - HQ
4183662 Dmr Thomas Richard Cornwell - HQ
4190685 Fus George Albert Clutton - HQ
4182570 Fus Arthur Davies - HQ
4188348 Fus Mathias Davies - A Coy
4191282 Fus John Richard Parry - A Coy
4190774 Fus Richard Thomas Stevens - B Coy

Confirmed Former Members:

John Rowlands MM
4183216 Joseph Archibald
4187087 Ralph Edward Tittle
4178003 Iorwerth Jones
4179329 Albert (Harry) Ross
4186286 William Henry Roberts
20066 Henry Evan Owens(Later RDC)
69288 William Henry Taylor (Later DLI)
25332 Mark Prince (Later RAF)
8690 Walter William Wineyard
4183969 Arthur Bew
4183750 Thomas Dodd
200512 Ernest Jarvis
4188103 Albert Edward Cartwright
4187086 Albert Strange

[ap1]

Starting to add in full names and Service numbers.

[Hywyn]

The list* has Albert Strange, aged 25 of 21 Nelson Street (with comments in one thread that his brother Frederick died a day or two later, maybe disater related.)

Anyone got address for Albert Strange 4187086? Served 1926 to 1930. If not address then age/fathers name.

Poss for Frederick is 4190467 if someone has address/age for this one.




* If you haven't gotthe full list it's under the Files tab towards the top of the FB page.

[ap1]

1911 Census has an Albert Strange aged 1, living at 16 James St Wrexham. Father, William Henry Strange aged 35.

Both Fred and Albert are listed on the memorial page.

[ap1]

I can check unconfirmeds DOB's against the register a week Tues. Just need a consolidated check list by the Monday.

[Aled Roberts]

My prime suspect for the formerly serving I Jones :

5087 A/Sgt Iorwerth Jones 4RWF

Additional evidence is the photo - looks like four medals to me. The above man got a 1914 Trio and TFEM in 1920. Later number 4178003. He left the regiment 4th March 1933.

Richard