THE ROYAL WELSH REGIMENTAL ASSOCIATION THURSDAY 12th APRIL 2012 AT 1100 HRS

[Paul Hinge]

As stated in your summary Bob, which is much appreciated....The person was appointed as President of the Regimental Committee....."The Regimental Committee of the Royal Welsh." The last sentence bears no relevance to the Trust document and that is the legal basis on which the RWFCA exists.
What everyone seems to fail to understand that "norms" created over the years that are not registered alongside the initial trust document and have no legal status and are therefore null and void as a position in law. The document and the RWFCA is a civilian entity it does not fall under pseudo military law....its purpose is solely to help those who require help when either injured on active service (because they were then (1924 to sometime after that date) immediately discharged) or to help out post forces service. It was set up prior to any of the governmental help that's available now and indeed is still needed desperately to assist those in distress even today and we need to be mindful of its purpose and relevance in today’s society

Cofion/Regards

Paul

[Rog Ball 01]

Are you then saying Paul, that the Regimental Committee of the Royal Welch Fusiliers does not have any hold over the RWF CA and the President of the RWA is the President of the Regimental Committee.

Why is it that the term 'legal' has once again been brought into this, normally once I see that sort of 'language' I back off. And again we are back biting.

[Paul Hinge]

The RWFCA is a registered civilian charity registerd with the Charity Commission therefore subject to the terms and conditions laid down in Trust law....a bit of a mouthful sorry!
It does not have to answer to or indeed take direction from any Regimental Committee.

And Yes!

I agree back-biting seems to be a prevalent sport for some.......

Best wishes

Paul

[tony.t.corbett]

Paul,
think you have got this all wrong, The wording Regimental Committee does not mean within the Regiment and where you get the idea that this is some pseudo military union
seems to be all wrong. your ambush on the Executive Committee meeting was wrong in law and I wish you would afford "the Officers" the courtesy they deserve has members of the Association. I was first to congratulate you on being elected chairman simply as my brain had forgotten the rules under which the Association was set up. However sincce certain things have come to my attention I am having second thoughts with regard to my earlier actions

[Rog Ball 01]

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Having ready many of the threads and also asking some questions regarding the RWFCA, I am finding that the current situation is rather confusing. What is needed is a full statement from the RWF CA on what is happening. In addition, give answers to:

1. Why is the Trust Deed Document being re-written?
2. How do members/secretaries know what finances both the RWFCA and RWA have?
3. Why legal terms are being used.

I be,lieve that all that is happening with the RWF CA is being orchastrated from either Cardiff or Wrexham, and if you are wondering how I can about this statement, well all you have to do is read what is being said with regard to legalality.

[chow]

The RWFCA is a registered civilian charity registerd with the Charity Commission therefore subject to the terms and conditions laid down in Trust law....a bit of a mouthful sorry!
It does not have to answer to or indeed take direction from any Regimental Committee.

And Yes!

I agree back-biting seems to be a prevalent sport for some.......

Best wishes

Paul

Hi Paul or any one...
Could you give us a link to the RWFCA site on the charities commission site please.
i am unable to find any reference to the RWFCA..even with the charity number..well not on the above site..
cheers for now...

[Bob Lake]

May I state a few facts on the Charitable Status of RWFCA as the last Regimental Secretary of the Royal Welch Fusiliers.

The RWFCA is not a registered charity as such but is treated as a Charity for tax purposes, it has a Charity Number but does not report annually to the Charity Commission, which is a requirement for other charities. The Charity Commission recognises the special role of Military Associations and gives them this dispensation because they are considered to be a Military Charity which have exemption from the normal reporting rules. My opinion is that this dispensation carries with it an expectation to behave within the rules of Military Administration.

The funds of the RWFCA originated from public subscription to build a memorial hospital in Wrexham after the Great War. This aim failed and the funds raised were split between the RWFCA and the RWF Officers Benevolent Fund in 1924. The funds have been added to by bequests and donations since, and in the case of the RWF Officers' Benevolent officers have made regular contributions from the days Pay Scheme. The benevolent aims of these funds have in the main been met by the days pay scheme and significant contributions from other service charities eg, Army Benevolent Fund, SSAFA and RBL, this role is now transacted by The Royal Welsh and is one of Des Williams principle functions for the Regiment.

When the new Regiment was set up each RWF Association paid a sum of £25,000 into the new regiment as set up funds. It is a fact that RRW Benevolent Funds are significantly greater by a factor circa 4:1 than RWF funds and they had a tradition of contributing income from these funds for Benevolence, which is carried on to the benefit of all antecedent Regiments today for which we should be very grateful. There is an expectation however that when grants are made be Service Charities that Regiments make a proportional contribution.

The Governance of the RWFCA is laid down in its Trust deeds and under Rule 23, to quote, 'the Executive Committee may by entering a resolution in their minute book revoke any declaration or rule governing the conduct of their business'. but the clause goes on to say ' it shall not be competent for them to alter the purposes for which the Association was founded without the consent of the Annual General Meeting. To summarise, the Exectutive Committee can change the rule book without the members consent but not the purposes of the Association.

It is for Trustees only to administer the Associations Funds with the duties of Trustees which are laid down by the Charity Commission.

As regards my opinion of the current debate I am as concerned as many of you, by the changes that are going on. What is important for us all to realise is that time is required for these matters to settle and we should all allow due process to proceed. The key players in this process is the Executive Committee, who along with the guidance of the Chairman and Trustees are expected to act correctly on your behalf. Their actions will be reported at the AGM at the reunion. I would appeal to the Chairman and his Executive Committee to consider the importance of good communications to members and to be guided by the good practices that have been established over many years and have served the RWFCA well.

RL