Dissertation help

**jungle1810** · 27-03-2009, 15:49

Hello Gwyn Nicholas,
From the info I have, it appears that all regiments that merge/ amalgamate have to have a new cap badge that is supposed to maintain the ethos and traditions of both regiments.It may well be that the new badge we now have may leave a lot of disgruntled people out there.!!!!!
This becomes much more important and leaves a lot to speculate over when the "Jocks" were merged where did the rule of thumb go to then???? The same rule applies to the Queens and Regimental colours, but this also causes confusion and discord when one or the other Regiments in the merger have battle honours that they never won!!!!! pro bono publico.
Regards Don aka Jungle1810

**nasher546** · 27-03-2009, 18:00

I believe Amalgamation is the right word, and yes it was a sad day as far as I am concerned. I also believe that Gwyn makes a lot of sense in the fact that at the end of it all we still have 2 Welsh Regiments, so what was the point in it all anyway.

**Gwyn Nicholas** · 27-03-2009, 20:40

Originally Posted by jungle1810

Hello Gwyn Nicholas,
From the info I have, it appears that all regiments that merge/ amalgamate have to have a new cap badge that is supposed to maintain the ethos and traditions of both regiments.It may well be that the new badge we now have may leave a lot of disgruntled people out there.!!!!!
This becomes much more important and leaves a lot to speculate over when the "Jocks" were merged where did the rule of thumb go to then???? The same rule applies to the Queens and Regimental colours, but this also causes confusion and discord when one or the other Regiments in the merger have battle honours that they never won!!!!! pro bono publico.
Regards Don aka Jungle1810

Hi Don.
I think it is fair to say that every Almalgamation/Merger leaves a lot of disgruntled people, not just in the Services.
The fact is, that most will move on and those who move on the quickest are generally looked upon or identified as Leaders. In my opinion the history of the Royal Welch Fusiliers is a glorious one and nothing but nothing will change it! These changes physically affect those who still serve with the Regiment whether it be the 1st or 2nd Battalion and these are the people who will continue to write the future history of the Regiment. Perhaps you could PM Jordan or better still, (for the benefit of the Forum) post your thoughts on the afore mentioned Amalgamation/Merger question. I'm sure Jordan would be grateful for any feedback. PS Your Exclamation and Question mark button appears to be sticking. Regards Gwyn

**mick carnell 53** · 27-03-2009, 22:12

i am not sure if this answer will help you at all, but i am sure that every man jack who has served with the 1st Bn the Royal Welch fusiliers would reply when asked, "once a Royal Welchman, ALWAYS a Royal Welchman.

**Thom15** · 28-03-2009, 00:41

Hey J,
Where are you? Several people have commented and we have seen no response from you. Just wondering if you are still out there and taking notes.

Dilwyn

**Rog Ball 01** · 28-03-2009, 09:46

As a previous writer has said, "there has been threads on the subject of the merger/amalgamation" and this curent thread in my opinion is one that is just opening old wounds.

The majority of the "old foggies" like me that use the Forum are ROYAL WELCHMEN and will always be regardless of merger/amalgamation or disbandment.

Having said that, we must support the new ROYAL WELSHMEN in all that they do and achieve, especially over the next 18 months.

The merger took place over 3 years ago, and the subject of dress, colours and alike should now be put to bed for ever.

**Gwyn Nicholas** · 28-03-2009, 10:06

Roger this thread was opened by a young student who is trying to pick the brains of the people he believes may give him some answers in order to complete his dissertation. Who knows what he can glean from this site. Hopefully a serving member will come on and give a view from the present as I'm sure he already has the feeling from ex-serving members Ie your comment on "Old wounds"
As Hingey has advised, perhaps his questions should be more specific and has offered his experience to assist him.
I think it is great that a young person should come to a site like this to seek guidance, and I will gladly give up my time to help him if I posssibly can.

**Rog Ball 01** · 28-03-2009, 10:19

Originally Posted by Gwyn Nicholas

Roger this thread was opened by a young student who is trying to pick the brains of the people he believes may give him some answers in order to complete his dissertation. Who knows what he can glean from this site. Hopefully a serving member will come on and give a view from the present as I'm sure he already has the feel of feeling from ex-serving members Ie your comment on "Old wounds"
As Hingey has advised, perhaps his questions should more specific and has offered his experience to assist him.
I think it is great that a young person should come to a site like this to seek guidance, and I will gladly give up my time to help him if I posssibly can.

Ok, I agree if the questions would have been more specific, I would not have brought up the comments that I have made. I also agree that help should be given where possible.

**jungle1810** · 28-03-2009, 15:47

Hello Gwyn,
You are absolutely right in all your answers to this thread. I am firmly of the opinion it is soley a matter for serving soldiers to address. Re my punctuation,there are a couple of reasons for any errors. Firstly I am awaiting operations to both my eyes to correct cataracts, and I have also been diagnosed with glaucoma in my right eye.The second /third is I had an elementary school education.My son who had a university education is proof reading and correcting the punctuation in a book I have just written. I did pass my first and second education army certificates in 1952, the second fault is I have hands like a side of beef, and press two keys together.I have to read all my e mails at least twice and even then have to edit them.
Re the colours it is a sad fact that comrades opinions(by definition former serving soldiers) were not taken in to account, or their views taken into consideration when the colours came up for review.I read this bit of information in a document sent to me over the way the colours were to be revised.The man who has visited this site for his studies will need the views of the younger element. I freely acknowledge that my dinosaur mentality comes to the fore front when the merger/amalgamation is discussed But I am glad I am not serving in today's army( no disrespect is meant to the Royal Welchmen or other regiments or corps)serving at present.My reason for this is I believe we should learn from history. the "Iron Duke"aka The Duke of Wellington went to fight in Afghanistan as a young officer, he was later recognised to be one of the best generals the army ever had and he was stated to have said in his autobiography "That European soldiers should not be expected to serve in this theatre of war." I will not go into Napolean's retreat from Moscow and Hitlers decision to open a second Eastern front against his general's wishes.(Operation Barbarossa)
RBD