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Have the Regiment been presented with new Colours yet?
This is not a question that should cause problems, like those that have been asked in the past regarding the colours. A straight answer will do - Yes or No.
If the answer is No, when will the colours be presented?
I llok forward to see the resulting comments for members.
No
You mention the Colours What will happen to the last colour of The Royal Welch Fusilier,will it go the same way as the rest ,laid up in a church to rot and eventually disappear for ever.Out of sight ,out of mind.these colours should be kept in a safe place so that our chidrens children can see them in all their glory.
The museum would be the ideal place. Are they not there?
Thom 15.I realy dont know,I was lead to believe that they were laid up in the parish church in Wrexham
Hello,
A vast difference will be most obvious when the "new colours" are trotted out. To the best of my knowledge they will bear little or no resemblance to the colours we knew in past years. I believe "Pekin" will be on them and this battle honour was unique to the 2nd battalion RWF from the Boxer rebellion days.Being the only "British" (Welsh) regiment to serve in this battle. They will also be "A sea of green". the 2nd battalion colours from our involvement in Malaya were laid up in December 1957. I believe they are in the Council offices (Llwyn isaf) Logically as one correspondent put it the museum would appear to be a natural home for the old colours to be kept in.
Regards RBD aka Don
Minden, Thom 15, I do believe that there old 1st Bn RWF colours laid up in St Giles Church Wrexham, in the RWF Chapel.
As VC in the RWF Museum there are are Colours laid up and on display there and I believe they are the old 4th Bn RWF Colours. So it would be very nice for the last 1st Bn RWF Colours to be laid up at the museum as it the RWF Regimental Museum.
Best Regards
BennytheBall
Benny.I agree with you wholeheartedly ,colours should be seen and not hidden away in some church or council office where the general public cant view them,after all, they are our colours but for the men of this great regiment,their deeds of bravery they whould blank sheets of silk
Thom, Minden & Benny,
I can also remember some old Colors laid up in the Church in Crickhowell. I wonder what happened to those. Or perhaps they are still there. This thread poses a question as to what has actually happened to some of our Colors. I would hate to think as Minden put it they are just rotting away.
I am aware that there are Regimental Colours housed in the Regimental Museum and in St Giles church in Wrexham, both are open for anyone to view.
There must be some SOP somewhere which dictates where Colurs are laid up, to be fair the ones at the museum and St Giles do not appear to be rotting away.
Joe.
Smokeyjoe.Thanks for the info,it is nice to hear that the colours are being cared for in away that will keep them with us for our children to see.My question has been answered .may your pipe never be empty!!
We have read where the former colours are laid up i.e. St Giles Church in Wrexham and at the Museum. Have we had any Colours laid up in a Cathedral?
Bangor has a Cathedral and the new Bishop of Bangor is an Aber boy and very supportive of the RWF perhaps that might be an appropriate resting place for our last set of colours.
Hingey
Hi Paul
Not heard of colours being laid up in a Cathedral - Bangor is a good location as is St Aspaph.
What happened to the Coplours of the 2nd, 4th and 6/7 Bns when they disbanded? Did they go to a place of remembrance?
This is one that someone can pick up on and do some research.
Rog
Hi Rog
My comment was only by way of ONE suggestion!
What we need to do is to come to a consensus and pass our views onto the powers to be (RHQ Wrexham and now we will probably have to have the agreement of RHQ RW).
Perhaps a list of where colours have been laid up could be compiled and posted as an information point on this site?
Cofion cynnnes
Paul
Hello Hingey,
I did a search on the internet for the locations of our Queens and regimental Colours. I used a couple of search strings but nothing of any consequence came to light.I phoned the museum and it appears "Smokey Joe" is nearer the truth on this subject. A lot of our Colours are in fact in Saint Gile's church Wrexham. But the Museum are holding the Colours of the 1st and 4th battalions which were presented at Wroughton Airfield (Swindon) in July 1954. The second Battalions colours of this era are in the Civic offices Llwyn Isaf Wrexham after the 2nd battalion were put in a a state of suspended animation in December 1957. The museum informed me that many of the Regiments Colours are spread far and wide over north Wales. This applies to a lot of the Militia and Yeomanry Regiments, and some of these changed their title and style over the years So I fear it would not be an easy task but I feel the same as you do on this subject. It is a task well worth having a go at. So bearing in mind many hands make light of work it may well be we have at hand many people in the forum and else where that may be able to further this grand idearegards.
RBD aka Jungle1810
Hello Hingey,
Re the colours an intresting story is in a book by Major Broughton Mainwaring, The Regimental History of the Royal Welch Fusiliers.Captain Campbell took command of the RWF after Lt/Col Chester and Captain Evans were killed near the redoubt.he was then wounded twice and he retired to the rear.The honour of bringing the 23rd out of action devoved on Captain Bell. During the action the Regimental colour of the 7th Fusiliers was found lying on the ground by Captain Pearson of that Regiment, aide-de-camp to to Sir George Browne. He (Capt Pearson) picked it up and no officer of the 7th being near, General Codrington desired him to give it to Captain Bell saying "It cannot be in safer keeping than that of the Royal Welch. The colour was accordingly placed between those of the 23rd Royal Welch Fusiliers, and was carried by a sergeant of the 7th Fusiliers during the remainder of the action.Lt Anstruther having been killed whilst carrying the Queen's colour the standard was picked up by Private Evans who gave it to Corporal Luby and it was afterwards carried through the remainder of the engagement by sergeant Luke O'Connor who although badly wounded refused to give it up. The gallant sergeant was soon afterwards promoted to Ensign in the Regiment and Corporal Luby was awarded the D.C.M.and Luke O'Connolr was awarded the VC Thus both colours of the Royal Welch Fusiliers and the one 7th Fusiliers were for want of officers were carried out of action by sergeants.