New Cap Badge

A debate has started on the RRW veteran’s site regarding the new Cap Badge and seeing the interesting debate with regard to the Regimental Colour on this site I wondered what members of the site thought about it. The actual photos shown do not in fairness show it in its best light.

Having seen the new cap badge in the flesh so to speak, I have to say it is of very good quality and very smart. My only criticism is it is much smaller than the old one. I would like to have seen it produced the same size. But you can’t please everyone and it is much better than the bent NAAFI fork our rivals in the Welsh Guards have to wear. I am now digging a fire trench for incoming.

Colin, we have just had the largest turn out seen in Cardiff of 3 R WELSH soldiers since the the amalgamation with 226 turning out for the St David's Day celebration weekend and the change over to the new Cap Badge.

We had a particularly good turn out from the North Wales Companys who were very keen to get their new Cap Badges and hand in their old RRW ones which we have been wearing for the last 3 years !!!!!!!!!!!!

Mick thanks for the info, there seems to some confusion with my recruiters as to when they don the new cap badge they have been told not until the 9th of March but i thought the aim was for all to be wearing the new badge 1st March ?Also have you any info on the woven badge for Officers & WO's ?

Sir,
Both the 1st and 2nd Battalion are waiting for the 9th to allow the 1st Battalion to return from Kenya. The 3rd Battalion changed over on the 1st because of the St Davids weekend in Maindy and this was the best time to catch them all together.

The last I heard about the woven cap badge was RHQ turned it down and are awaiting a better quality badge to be produced.

I must agree that the new cap badge is smaller than the current cap badge but never the less it will still be worn with pride by all members of the Regiment.

just a quick note as of tomorow the 5th march the 1st Battalion will be wearing the new cap badge fron 9 am this is the start of our st Davids day celabration,.

Hi all,
Slightly off topic I know but do all Battalions have the same format for St Davids Day, from Gunfire, all ranks dinner and Officers mess ?
Ta very much
Dai

Colin,

As far as I am concerned it's things like the new cap badge that will help to make the lads more as "one".

I agree with you there Paul.

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Originally Posted by nasher546

Colin,

As far as I am concerned it's things like the new cap badge that will help to make the lads more as "one".

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Paul I agree 100%,but as I said previously when you actually see it the size it is more like a collar dog than a cap badge.However The Col of the Regt has put out his letter laying down all the details regarding Colours dress etc etc and we need to accept that and move on.By the way nice to hear from you.

Colin

Thanks for info Colin. What is the collar dog for the Bn. Is it the same for both Bn's or are they different?

Can someone put a picture of the new Badge please.
Ta Tom.

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Originally Posted by Ball401

Thanks for info Colin. What is the collar dog for the Bn. Is it the same for both Bn's or are they different?

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As far as I am aware the collar dogs will be the same for all Battalions.I believe they are similar to the RWF capbadge (a bomb) with a rampant dragon.I think that the previous CO 3rd Bn Martyn Leader posted some images of the collar dogs on this site a few months back.Then again I may well be talking rubbish.I am sure that someone from RHQ or one of our members from the Battalions can put us right.

the coller dogs are worn by all three Battalions and consist of a bomb with 9 flames comeing out of the top and a griffen with a wreath of immortals surounding it hope this helps
jas

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Originally Posted by scorch

the coller dogs are worn by all three Battalions and consist of a bomb with 9 flames comeing out of the top and a griffen with a wreath of immortals surounding it hope this helps
jas

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Jas, thanks for the info but a Griffin ! Y Draig y Goch surely that is a red dragon ?Again I stand to be corrected.


Wikepidia:
The griffin is a legendary creature with the body of a lion and the head and often wings of an eagle.

Regards Colin

Colin you are correct on all points, i would have thought by now that all serving members of the Regiment would have the new badges and buttons as the clothing stores of all 3 Battalions have them in stock and have done for some time.

But as always some peoples admin lets them down and its only at the last minute before a parade or mess function that they decide that they had better get it sorted out before the port fines start coming around. Funny how the higher the rank the worse the admin seems to be.

Nothing new there Mike !

The design of the new collar badge is dead simple: it's the RWF collar badge with the RRW's superimposed on top of it. To be entirely pedantic, the dragon is passant (standing on 3 legs with one raised) rather than rampant (standing on its hind legs). End of heraldry lesson...

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Originally Posted by jcj

Paul I agree 100%,but as I said previously when you actually see it the size it is more like a collar dog than a cap badge.However The Col of the Regt has put out his letter laying down all the details regarding Colours dress etc etc and we need to accept that and move on.By the way nice to hear from you.

Colin

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Sorry Colin, did'nt realise it was that small which I agree is just not acceptable. Is there anything that can be done at this late stage? I suppose the people responsible did not involve those that matter in the decision making process. By that I mean the lads!

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Originally Posted by nasher546

Sorry Colin, did'nt realise it was that small which I agree is just not acceptable. Is there anything that can be done at this late stage? I suppose the people responsible did not involve those that matter in the decision making process. By that I mean the lads!

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Paul
Having seen the letter from the Col of the Regt (Brigadier R Porter MBE) I believe that all discussion is now ended and all decisions have been made. This was after much debate and discussion by the committees formed with members from both former Regiments and with approval from HM the Queen our Colonel in Chief and the relevant military authorities. In fairness the committees were always on a hiding to nothing as there was no way their decisions were going to be popular with everyone as some of the posts on this site and the RRW veteran’s site have shown. None of my comments are the official party line just my own take on these matters. But as someone who is still serving after over 42 years service in the 24th South Wales Borderers the RRW and now the Royal Welsh I can fully understand why some people feel hard done by. The only thing I would add is I command approx 30 Royal Welsh NCOs’ from the 1st & 2nd Battalions and they seem happy enough notwithstanding the normal light banter you would expect. Whilst not being disloyal to their former Regiments their main focus is to get on with the job in hand.

Regards Colin

PS. Sorry for being long winded.

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Originally Posted by jcj

Paul
Having seen the letter from the Col of the Regt (Brigadier R Porter MBE) I believe that all discussion is now ended and all decisions have been made. This was after much debate and discussion by the committees formed with members from both former Regiments and with approval from HM the Queen our Colonel in Chief and the relevant military authorities. In fairness the committees were always on a hiding to nothing as there was no way their decisions were going to be popular with everyone as some of the posts on this site and the RRW veteran’s site have shown. None of my comments are the official party line just my own take on these matters. But as someone who is still serving after over 42 years service in the 24th South Wales Borderers the RRW and now the Royal Welsh I can fully understand why some people feel hard done by. The only thing I would add is I command approx 30 Royal Welsh NCOs’ from the 1st & 2nd Battalions and they seem happy enough notwithstanding the normal light banter you would expect. Whilst not being disloyal to their former Regiments their main focus is to get on with the job in hand.

Regards Colin

PS. Sorry for being long winded.

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Colin,

Not long winded at all. The main point, as you have quite rightly stated, is the lads focusing on getting on with the job in hand.

Hear hear. The lads are to be commended for that. The only way is UP!

No matter how small the cap badge looks, its still bigger than all of us!!!!

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Originally Posted by UKSniper

No matter how small the cap badge looks, its still bigger than all of us!!!!

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Matt in fairness probably only those 1 RRW who served in HK with Peter Kerruish as CO would appreciate you stating that " The capbadge is bigger than all of us"

I have followed this thread with much interest and I think the only 99% "whinging"/Debating about the new colours/cap badge/dress is the older members who served in the "old" regiments, as I have said in my previous posts if it is not going to affect our Comrades' Associations, let us support the lads/ladies of the new Regiment for Wales and show our interest in what they do.

I agree with many members, that this thread has done its course and so "put it to bed" finally.

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I was proud to served in all 3 Welsh Regiments Th Royal Welch Fusiliers(Regular service), The Royal Welsh Regiment and the Royal Welsh (both TA and a short time).

But I am and always will be a Royal Welch Fusilier Comrade (there NO old comrades in the RWFCA).

Good luck to all serving in all Bn's THe Royal Welsh.

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Originally Posted by BennytheBall

I have followed this thread with much interest and I think the only 99% "whinging"/Debating about the new colours/cap badge/dress is the older members who served in the "old" regiments, as I have said in my previous posts if it is not going to affect our Comrades' Associations, let us support the lads/ladies of the new Regiment for Wales and show our interest in what they do.

I agree with many members, that this thread has done its course and so "put it to bed" finally.

PS
I was proud to served in all 3 Welsh Regiments Th Royal Welch Fusiliers(Regular service), The Royal Welsh Regiment and the Royal Welsh (both TA and a short time).

But I am and always will be a Royal Welch Fusilier Comrade (there NO old comrades in the RWFCA).

Good luck to all serving in all Bn's THe Royal Welsh.

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I agree with you Ian, lets now put the past to bed, concentrate on the RWF CA and the 3 Bns of the Royal Welsh, especially during the forthcoming 15 months.

Out of curiosity, have the new Colours been presented?

Guys,

I think a lot of people are missing something. Colin will know what I am talking about and he will know more about this than anyone. The greatest healer is time. In 1972 I was posted to 1RRW for a few months in Osnabruck because I was too young to be with 1RWF in Derry. I was subsequently posted to B Coy, it was only 3 years previous that the 24th & 41st had amalgamated. I remember that my CSM was ex 24th and everything, and I mean everything was painted green and white. If you went over to ACoy the CSM there was ex 41st and everything was painted red and white. I would go to the POW club on a Friday or Saturday night and by closing time ex 24th and 41st guys would be thumping s**t out of each other. That's the way it is and always will be until the fullness of time when all the ex RWF and ex RRW have done there time and everyone is Royal Welsh. One thing I will say is that after the Friday or Saturday nights in the POW club the guys were stood together on Monday musters and subsequently did thier tours in NI together with notorious recognition. Let us not forget, time is the greatest healer guys. So let time run its course. Whatever that course is, it will not stop the Royal Welsh from serving with distinguished service.

Paul, you are correct I was a Cpl in A Coy at the time and CSM A was former Welch Regt and he was 41st to the hilt. He was also a former Far East heavyweight boxing champion so discipline was short sharp painful but fair.Anyway as you rightly say we argued and fought about everything from the Colours of the Bn rugby team strip to which Battle Honours should be painted on the 432’s etc.But the fiercest fights were in the Sgt’s mess as they had obviously spent more time in the former Regiments and positively hated the Amalgamation. It was not an uncommon sight to see SNCO’s and WO’s on Bn musters sporting black eyes, cuts and looking as if they had been thrown through a window, in some cases they most likely had. However not long after the amalgamation we had regular visits to the Emerald Isle and that tended to focus us on the job in hand, much like the young men on OP’s today.

Colin

Oh those nights in the P.O.W Club. Nasher do remember Carlos from the Drums Platoon, he used to sit on a Chair in the Middle of the Floor when a Certain tune came on the Juke Box? It was really funny, he used to pretend to be in a wheelchair, doing Drill, and all you could hear was, 41st, About Turn, and he used to make like hissing noises when he did it. It was a brilliant show. Good Punch Ups too as you say butt. Cheers for the reminder haha Braz

Braz,

Yes I remember Carlos and I am sure Colin would have jailed him once or twice. He was as mad as a fish. One thing I do remember is that he was an excellent bugler, probably the best at that particular time. That probably saved him from the dreaded Colchester (MCTC) on more than one occasion. Does anyone know what happened to Carlos?

Me and Carlos did our training together in Crickhowell in 1967. Carlos along with Jim Botwood and some other juniors joined our Platoon (Cyprus) for Battle Camp on finishing their junior soldier training. I would not have been in a position to jail him that was left to Drum Maj Davies. We joined 1 SWB together in Aden in 1967, Carlos went to the Drums and I went to A Coy.He was a fantastic bugler easily the best I ever heard, but he was always in trouble. He lives in Swansea and to see him now butter would not melt in his mouth!

I think that once again the main theme of the thread has been left behind with members doing back over old times.

I have attached a thread that will take you to the new Regimental web page. You can then see soldiers of the Regiment wearing the new cap badge.

If you know of anybody thinking of joining or rejoining then the site is full of very usefull information.

http://www.theroyalwelsh.org.uk/home.html

Dai 29
RSM
2 ROYAL WELSH