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The conservative government is going full blast on their plans for an E.U. armed force, we have an aircraft carrier with no planes, the air force is not up to strength, what will happen to the british regiments when the full intergration has happened, the EU can declare war on a country without any single country having a say, dangerous stuff, all the power will be in the hands of the bureaucrats who were not voted in. Worried you should be
Was under the impression that the U.K. is dead against this as it would undermine NATO
Where [and when] did this come from haven't seen it on the [bad] news, have I missed somthing? Also unless we are fighting for our lives or being bombed to 'Buggery', the Armed Forces have always been under strength in so called peacetime.
it was on the news about 1 week ago at the moment there are about 5 EU countries that refuse to sign it all the rest have The uk,Eire,Malta,Denmark and one other i can't think of have not or refused too sign up for it
But so far the UK, Ireland, Denmark, Portugal and Malta have yet to sign up to the deal, which is seen by some as the next step towards a fully fledged EU Army.
After it is formally launched next month, PESCO will be another in a series of already complex relationship between some EU Member States and NATO.
British defence chiefs have previously vowed to veto any creation of an EU Army, with Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon saying in 2016 such a force would serve as a “rival to NATO”.
But the UK’s impending departure from the bloc has given France and Germany the opportunity to march forward with their plans.
can someone move this thread to General Discussions
Certainly rejected by our 3 services, also recall from the original report that it was to be commanded by a senior French Officer, with his 2i.c., being German.
French in charge really heaven help them
That's what I thought at the time. However, that old saying comes to mind " Whoever pays the piper plays the tune ".Quote:
Originally Posted by jones20
The French have always been reluctant to got involved in other countries problems unless it concerns them and even then they send in the legion so if casualties are sustained they can assure the French public that other then the officers being French the troops are effectively foreign nationals in the main,never worked with the French and no doubt they have good troops but in the main from books that I have read their leaders can’t be trusted we’ll just have to wait and see
Bloody French, 1st to plead for help and definately last to give any help. What a Shower of you know what. Braz
glad to see that it’s not only me that does not rate the FrenchQuote:
Originally Posted by Braz
Not all the time. They were quick off the mark to give technical and military support to the Argentinian military during the Falklands War.Quote:
Originally Posted by Braz
Yea so much for being NATO allies can’t trust them for as far as you can throw themQuote:
Originally Posted by welchboy
BRITAIN has bailed out penny-pinching EU states over defence for years, a shocking report revealed.
It said EU member states have “short-changed” their own defence to the tune of nearly £340 billion over the past five years.
And Britain has subsidised the defence of Europe by £17 billion over the same period, said The Henry Jackson Society think tank.
Its report 'What the European Union owes the United Kingdom' said the UK’s contribution to continent-wide defence should be taken into account in the Brexit negotiations over the divorce bill.
I wonder how long it will be before the Krauts start oiling the sprockets on their Panzers, trying the coal scuttle helmets for size and go stomping about in their big boots and take over?
Thought that was one of the reasons that NATO standardised all armaments so that when the French surrendered the rest of the alliance could then use them
Do you think we could sell them one leaking aircraft carrier
Plus 6 broken down destroyers, less than 12 months old, hardly used, one owner from newQuote:
Originally Posted by jones20
Tell them to put the plugs in the baths of the carrier. That may stop it sinking. lol
Trouble with doing that is that all the sailors onboard will be up in arms at the loss of that hole.lol
EU army NEEDS Britain or it will fail say Macron’s advisers in French military
BREXIT could have catastrophic implications for the UK’s relationship with France if the two nations “drift apart”, a former ambassador to France has claimed as Macron's military advisers urge the President to get onside with the UK.
Were best out of it. It would suit the Germans and as for the French, well, they know their onions. Thats about all they bleeding know too. Please keep us OUT of it.
I think it is no coincidence that suddenly these reports coming from the French and German camps that the British military experience is needed in a EU. army is at time when Putin appears to be flexing his military muscle.
You can guess which army would be first in the line if the **** did hit the fan in Europe and somehow I do not think it would be the afore mentioned.
It would be interesting to see how quick the French would surrender if the **** did hit the fan