15372 Sgt. Robert John Roberts

Hi
I'm posting this here because there is one on-going on the WW1 thread.

During the recent visit to the Mametz Wood one of our Caernarfon Branch Comrade, Alwyn Iwan Rees Jones laid a wreath on the grave of 15372 Sgt Robert John Roberts, RWF, who was killed on the 20 July 1916, (Hundred years tomorrow) during the first battle of the Somme, he is buried at Delville wood cemetery, Alwyn has some information about Sgt Roberts from Shirley Williams, development Manager at the Royal Welch Fusiliers museum Caernarfon, he was awarded Three Medals, for his service, The prestigious Victory Medal, 1915 Star and victory Medal, He was from Tydweiliog nr. Pwllheli, Alwyn himself served with The Royal Welch Fusiliers between 1993-2001 would like more information as to track down relatives etc.thanks in advance.

hi.
do we have an age at death as this is quite a common name. on a basic search i have at least 6 possibles.


ivor

I posted some info on him when this was on FB and shared it. Here is his MIC, though I am not sure it helps.

http://rwf-forum.co.uk/vBulletin/att...tid=4678&stc=1

His Commonwealth Grave documents show him at the time of death to have been with the 10th Battalion. not sure if this will help narrow the search.

Unfortunately there's not a lot in terms of military documents that will help achieve your objective regarding his family. However, the local website Y Ffor (more below) looks to be the way forward.

His Soldiers Died Great War reads: Born Tydweiliog, reside Pwllheli, enlist Cefnamlwch.
His Soldiers Effects Register shows payments to his sole legate, his mother, Margaret Roberts.

Looking at the 1911 Census for a Robert John Roberts/mother Margaret/living that area of Lleyn turns up a family of Roberts at Monachdy, Tydweiliog. Father, Robert Roberts 54yrs, mother Margaret Roberts 43 yrs and six children which includes Robert John Roberts 16yrs.

Turning to the website Y Ffor

(Main Page = http://www.yffor.com/ )


The webowner Keith Parry has a War Memorials section and in that he has the following

http://www.yffor.com/rhyfel/rhyfel1418.html

402

Rbt John

Roberts

15372

RWF 10th

21

20/07/1916

Delville W Cem Longueval

Tudweiliog (B)

Mab Rbt a Margaret Rbts, Monachdy

Given the lack of info in the military docs Keith must have some local info that links 15372 to The Monachdy Roberts.

It might be that he is mentioned on the family grave at Tydweiliog. In the Cemeteries section of the site are the various burial books for a good chunk of Lleyn and in the Tydweiliog one can be found quite a few of the Monachdy Roberts' : the father Robert Roberts 11 4 1913 aged 56, John Dec 1914 aged 17, Thomas 30 11 1930 aged 30, the mother, Margaret 22 11 1956 aged 89 and Mary (Jones) 23 12 1972 aged 79.

I suggest then that the way forward for Alwyn is to get in touch with Keith Parry of that website.


(not turning anything up in the papers)

Hi Folks.
Family search is coming up with a puzzle. The only death it is showing on 20 july 16 at this location in a John J Roberts. Not Robert John. in your #5 the extraction in column 6 it gives the figure 21. i am assuming that is an age. which is correct for this man. But i am wondering if he would have been a Sgt at 21.however a further search gives me. this is from the 1901 census. which is what you have Hywyn


Robert Roberts Head M 43 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire
Margred Roberts Wife F 32 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire
Mary Roberts Daughter F 7 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire
Robert John Roberts Son M 6 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire
John Roberts Son M 3 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire
Thomas Roberts Son M 1 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire
Ellen Thomas Servant F 24 Nevin, Carnarvonshire
John Roberts M 16 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire
John Williams Servant M 17 Tydweiliog, Carnarvonshire



have to go out for a while.but will continue later.


ivor
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BW-DFT : 29 August 2015), Robert John Roberts in household of Robert Roberts, Tydweiliog, Caernarvonshire, Wales; from "1901 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing Nevin subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
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England and Wales Census, 1901

hi.
Been looking at the possibilities regarding the ''Monachdy'' connection.
Ordinance Survey map shows a Farm named Mynachdy a short distance to the North of Tudweiliog. north of a village called Rhos -y- llan.


ivor

Hi
Just out of interest. Mynachdy translates into English as Convent. Monastery or Cloister.

ivor

Yes, that's the family in the 1901 census Ivor. They are still there in the 1911.

You wouldn't find his death in the UK GRO Death Register under the local area. He's in the GRO Oveseas Index. They don't give an age though.

Sgt at 21 would not be unique.

Of the 10445 RWF casualties on CWGC 407 have the rank Sgt and of these 233 show an age. There are 5 x 19 yr olds, 13 x 20 yr olds and 13 x 21 year olds.

(Captains: 1 x 19, 3 x 20 and 6 x 21)

morning.

i found this site by chance while looking for something else. may be interesting for future reference.

http://yffor.com/rhyfel/rhyfel1418.html

on page 21 it confirms 15372 Robert John Roberts age 21 10 RWF DoD 20/7/16... parents Rbt and Margaret Roberts Monachdy.


ivor

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Originally Posted by vori101

morning.

i found this site by chance while looking for something else. may be interesting for future reference.

http://yffor.com/rhyfel/rhyfel1418.html

on page 21 it confirms 15372 Robert John Roberts age 21 10 RWF DoD 20/7/16... parents Rbt and Margaret Roberts Monachdy.


ivor

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hi

sorry duplication of effort.

ivor

hi.

Mynachdy (Monks House) Farm. may well have been a Grange or Monastic Farm as it appears to have been on a Pilgrim route to Bardsey Island and Aberdaron.


ivor

Thank you all for your contributions, Alwyn has informed me that he has some info on Sgt Roberts, if there is anything new I will post it on.
Brian