pesons who appear '' invisible ''

as a fairly long standing member of this forum i am becoming somewhat puzzled by the recent outbreak of '' invisibles ''. this makes me,as an x cop, somewhat uneasy. it poses several questions.first,are my posts being monitored ? if so.why.and by whom. second, if not mine then is someone else being monitored?. again if so,why.the third question is,i think, much more to the point.is there something going on at the moment which is causing someone problems so that they,i think more than 1 person is involved, feel the need to monitor members posts?.
the answer to that is,yes.
two threads recently have been of interest to me but as a non RWF member i did not feel it fitting to comment. however this apparent snooping changes my opinion. i have a reasonable knowledge of law,not just criminal and traffic,and also a good knowledge of the workings of committees.

firstly in the matter of the sacking of jungle. i believe the exec com was wrong. the members of the exec com are elected or delegated by the members and the exec should have reported the matter to the branch for debate and if the members felt that the matter justified his removal then they would confirm the exec decision.
second. the on going saga of the RWFCA.whilst the regiments have merged i can see no reason why the CA's should be affected. in fact i can see several good reasons why they should remain separate.the main reason being the RWFCA benevolent fund.whilst i can only speculate regarding the value of this fund which must be in the millions.this fund belongs to the living members of the RWF,no one else, only when the last member of the RWF or their dependants die can the fund be wound up,and then only by court action. it would appear to me that the way forward is for the two CA's to continue as separate entities under a Joint Steering Committee comprising of Equal numbers of RWFCA and RRWCA.
finally a couple of observations. first,it is my understanding that no elections have been held for some years. therefore i would question the legal standing of the current,apparently non elected, committee's ability to make decisions on behalf of the members.
secondly and finaly i find the post by the ''chair'' that he is re writing the trust deed to remove anomalies somewhat disconcerting. i was'nt aware that 1 person had that authority. surely the trustees have to be involved as well ?

With regard to ...Mr Invisible....they can only be people with some thing to hide...(my opinion).and like snooping around with out any one knowing...



may be one of them will become visible and answer your question,but i wouldn't hold your breath....

The 'invisible' mode can be used by any member of the Forum at any time, other social websites carry the same kind of mode, most of the time people use this mode to just get on the site and do what they have to do and exit without having to talk/interact with others, (no time to chat/to busy), i know a few that do this for just that purpose

Dave...

Thats one way of doing it i suppose .

personally i just check and chuck if i do not want a convo

thanks for the info Lofty,however i was aware of the facility. i frequently visit the forum read posts etc visit the arcade or casino without talking/interacting. i have never felt the need to become one of the '' invisibles ''. i may be a suspicious old sod but i an very,very uneasy with the idea that someone could be wandering about the site, for whatever reason, in a covert manner.

ivor

What is there to "snoop on" in the Forum. Certainly whatever I put on here, whether threads, posts or photographs, I expect everyone to see them otherwise I wouldn't put it on here in the first place.

No conspiracy theories here for me, as lofty says it allows people to come onto the Forum, catch up with what is going without getting involved in chat for whatever reason. Could be they are online from work and do not want their boss to find out what they are doing in work time. Was a time when being "incognito" didn't carry the stigma of unfounded suspicion, big brother has much to answer for.

I wonder why Mr invisible has not replied to any threads never see invisible in who has viewed a thread or a reply from one of them...

strange that..

mind you i suppose they become visible to reply..mmmm

Gwyn Well said, perhaps the Thread "Sound off" should re titled as "Gripe Off"
We've got our Branch AGM this evening and 1 item on the agenda will be the future of the RWFCA and RWRA.
The answer to Vori's question about RWFCA funds, we don't have millions (abiet, The RWRA has). I think on the last accounts was something in the region of £349,000. for the RWFCA (a splash in the ocean against the RWRA).

I will keep everyone posted on this evening events( If my chairman and members allow me to reveal branch matters on the forum).

Best Regards
Benny Ball
Branch Hon Secretary
Shotton and Deeside Branch RWFCA

Benny.
Can not see why our branch would object,
personalty as a branch member i would not object.....
it would get the information to RWFCA members that use the forum.

Im sorry ...I admit that I am a Mr Invisible as you call it.....I come on here every day to see what is being discussed and if I need to comment I will ....didnt realise that it would cause any concerns....
I joined the forum to find old Comrades that I served with, Ive always been concerned on what kind of life they took after the forces ...I have found loads of mates and I have kept intouch with them....its great when they reply....

Dennis

to respond to a couple of points :-
gwyn. i agree that there should be nothing on the forum to 'snoop' on. but...
benny.....i would like to point out that this thread is not on Sound off. and i find your comment '' gripe off '' not very helpful. the points i have raised are valid.my main concerns are purely on committee procedures and responsibilities. my basis for making these comments is as follows.in 1970's committee member/Political Education Officer of a N.E.Wales branch of the Labour Party. from 1973 - 1982 active member of a N.E Wales branch of the N.U.R. where i held the post of Vice Chair on two occasions and later spent time as assistant branch sec. on other occasions i have assisted in the drawing up/amending club/association rules. i think this gives me some right to comment.
with regard to the benevolent fund as far as i am concerned the amount is of no consequence the fund is still owned by the members as i said previously.
finally i expect some stick with regard to this thread.so be it.the questions are not going away.

At the time of this post there were 80 active users on line - 16 members and 64 guests. All of those 64 guests can read anything bar "the vault", which they can't even see exists anyway. So, is 3 or 4 hidden registered users out of those 16, with another 64 unregistered ones capable of reading (pretty much) the same stuff, any big deal?

Those members that choose to be invisible have their reasons and it's none of any other member's business how they set their user preferences; they certainly don't deserve to be called "a holes"!

A member could also choose to read the forum logged out and only log in when s/he wanted to make a reply/make a bet/use the arcade/upload a photo/etc. So some of that 64 could have been members, is that a problem?

john. if you read my posts at no time have i made any comment regard a persons preference, and i have no intention of doing so.if someone feels the need to be ''invisible '' for some reason so be it. however '' invisibility '' to my mind raises the question. why ?.this is nothing to do with a 'big brother' attitude it just makes me very uneasy. i am probably being paranoid but i do not like the idea that people are flitting about in the background unseen.

Agreed Vori. I have had a look at the names and have seen someone invisible and I know who they are.

To All
May I as a forum member, being not "invisible" give my personal opinion on RWFCA matters, which seems to be coming back on this forum time and time again.

Firstly, and I'm being quite blunt, if you are not a member of a branch or even ever served in the Regiment, ask me this, what right have you to question the running of the RWFCA?, I believe that my branch members (who are fully paid up have the right to question any matters that arise within the RWFCA). So please if you are not a member of any branch STOP raising questions that don't concern you.

Secondly, I feel, that the forum is a very good tool for some of the issues that are put on it, but it can be a "weapon" with some members questions to Regimental matters who do not have any standing in the Regimental Association, so please justifiy yourselves by join a Branch and the Association, then you can have a your say.

Thirdly, I am now quite "sick" with the back stabbing and bickering over matters of the RWFCA, I PERSONALLY, think that there are people, may they be "invisible" or not trying to bring down the RWFCA Association (Please let us look at the RWRA, there is no bickering or backing stabbing form their branches they gettin on with the task of reaching out to all 3 Battalions in their minds).

Fourthly, I believe that there is in the background a "witch hunt" going on, within the RWFCA and its is not good for the Association, if we are to carry on, Please, members don't "lecture" me on the legal "jargon" on the Association I have read and seen and heared all that either at Association meetings or in fact on this wonderful forum.

Once again my PERSONALthoughts are, lets us not try and destroy what is a very great Association and lets us try and go forward with what we have got.

I am ready to take any comments on what I've have said but please don't ridicule me in anyway.

Best Regards to All
BennytheBall

Benney

There are members of the Association who, due to location, are not members, I was one till I became a member.

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Originally Posted by Rog Ball 01

Benney

There are members of the Association who, due to location, are not members, I was one till I became a member.

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Roger .
I personally think using a location as a reason for not being a branch members is just an excuse .
i am a paid up member and live near Leicester.
all it takes is communication with a branch and a cheque in the post...to which ever branch.
They are all listed on this site...
and its only £5 a year.....

benny in response to your post. and i will also speak bluntly.
Firstly in my original thread i expressed my reluctance, as a non military member, to comment, however circumstances lead me to change that opinion. the comments i have made are as a result of posts on OPEN forum this i believe gives me and any other member the right to comment if we believe that comment to be relevant. i can assure you that have absolutely no intention of telling you how to run he RWFCA. however if a matter arises on OPEN Forum,that is within my knowledge and experience,that i feel needs questioning then i will do so.
secondly. i totally agree that the forum is a very good vehicle for discussion.Provided it is OPEN to all members to express their opinions even if these opinions are inconvenient to others.this is after all a DEMOCRATIC forum. i would have thought that All ex RWF personnel, branch members or not, have an automatic right to speak on RWF matters.
Thirdly.i am quite sure that you are '' sick with the back stabbing and bickering '' but maybe you need to look at he reasons for this.i seem to recall,on a number of occasions, posts deploring the lack of information being sent to members.and i would point out that the RWFCA is not the RWRA it is a totally separate entity and should remain so, of course that is only my opinion which it appears others may not share.
Fourthly. if you believe there is a '' witch hunt '' in the background (ie invisible) then maybe you should consider WHY ?. if you were to talk to members and listen to what they are saying you just might find out.and Benny you can be assured as an ex police officer with several years experience i would not seek to lecture you with regard to ''legal jargon'' or even bother you with requirements for obtaining charitable status or other legal niceties.

finally. this regimental merger is not the first. i have been surfing the web and if anyone is interested the Devon & Dorset web site is interesting.
on a personal note. i spent most of my life in the Wrexham area and am fully aware of the importance of the regiment to the town. i watched many parades as a youngster and believe me if i question something it is only because,i, as much as you guys want the RWFCA to continue.

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Originally Posted by chow

Roger .
I personally think using a location as a reason for not being a branch members is just an excuse .
i am a paid up member and live near Leicester.
all it takes is communication with a branch and a cheque in the post...to which ever branch.
They are all listed on this site...
and its only £5 a year.....

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Chow

I currently owe £6.00 to the Branch I am with (£5.00 for Branch and £1.00 for ID card). There are others, quite senior members of the Forum, who are not members. Also, members of the Forum who were individual associates, have now joined a branch.

Rog

Roger.
I stand corrected.
Forgot about the ID card,but people joining only need, I think. the photo ID to get into the AGM or Branch meeting..
I do intend applying to my branch for one in the near future...

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Originally Posted by vori101

benny in response to your post. and i will also speak bluntly. Firstly in my original thread i expressed my reluctance, as a non military member, to comment, however circumstances lead me to change that opinion. the comments i have made are as a result of posts on OPEN forum this i believe gives me and any other member the right to comment if we believe that comment to be relevant. i can assure you that have absolutely no intention of telling you how to run he RWFCA. however if a matter arises on OPEN Forum,that is within my knowledge and experience,that i feel needs questioning then i will do so.secondly. i totally agree that the forum is a very good vehicle for discussion.Provided it is OPEN to all members to express their opinions even if these opinions are inconvenient to others.this is after all a DEMOCRATIC forum. i would have thought that All ex RWF personnel, branch members or not, have an automatic right to speak on RWF matters.Thirdly.i am quite sure that you are '' sick with the back stabbing and bickering '' but maybe you need to look at he reasons for this.i seem to recall,on a number of occasions, posts deploring the lack of information being sent to members.and i would point out that the RWFCA is not the RWRA it is a totally separate entity and should remain so, of course that is only my opinion which it appears others may not share.Fourthly. if you believe there is a '' witch hunt '' in the background (ie invisible) then maybe you should consider WHY ?. if you were to talk to members and listen to what they are saying you just might find out.and Benny you can be assured as an ex police officer with several years experience i would not seek to lecture you with regard to ''legal jargon'' or even bother you with requirements for obtaining charitable status or other legal niceties.finally. this regimental merger is not the first. i have been surfing the web and if anyone is interested the Devon & Dorset web site is interesting.on a personal note. i spent most of my life in the Wrexham area and am fully aware of the importance of the regiment to the town. i watched many parades as a youngster and believe me if i question something it is only because,i, as much as you guys want the RWFCA to continue.

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VoriMany Thanks for informative post, all things I said in my post are of a personal matter to me, and like you said this forum is an OPEN forum where members can express their PERSONAL feelings, I for one is not are in the " releams" of getting into slanging matches or unruly debates espi[ecialy on this forum.I strongly believe that with all this and I'll say it again "bickering" going on people are going to destroy this wonderful Comrades' Association that we have, all I ask is lets us build on what we got.I know from the feedback of my branch members' that this unease in the Association is not doing us proud.We've got what we've got so let us run with it.Best RegardsBennytheBall

Ian / Vori

Thank you both for the threads, but I must say that there is a BRICK WALL being built between members of the RWF CA, whether they are 'stirring it' or are genuine persons.

What is nereded in my opinion is a stand off by all, and let the secretaries to deal withg the problems, and to get these problems sorted ASAP. I will say one thing thought, if a Secretary is not available, and a 'stand in' secretary is nominated, the nominated person should be allowed to have there say, and not be told that their comments are unwelcome.

Guys I live in Birkenhead what would be my closest branch,Not thought about joining before but listening to some comments on this thread sounds like if your not a member keep your gob shut, If I am mistaken please reply.

Steve Scouse Carey. Y.N.W.A

Steve. your nearest branch would be either, Shotton & Deeside, sec bennytheball or Chester.sec Mr A Roberts.

Cheers mucca,

Steve my friend i am a member of the shotton and deeside branch.
but you can join any branch you like.
but my friend this is a open forum and as a member you have the right to comment on any thread that is posted.
i fee that if people do not want comment then do not post...
please do not feel that with out a card you have no voice..not on this forum...

rog. a couple of interesting points here. a BRICK WALL hmm yes but who is building it. i would not like to say, but when you read some posts closely then it might appear that some people, may, have a different agenda.for some more interesting reading.read the closed thread ''reunion issues '' of2xx/08/11.
your second point re the stand off,yes i agree,But. i have some reservations about this.i think that keeping some pressure on branch secs keeps them ''honest ''( as i have experienced) the duties of a branch sec are to represent the wishes of the membership.and only their wishes.
your final point.with the N.U.R. branch if the sec was not available, i, as assistant took the meeting, minutes included. we also delegated a member to the A.G.M. who had full powers to speak and vote on behalf of the branch.


ivor

after reading this thread i am at a loss as to why im still on here.so as from this date i will not be coming back .as it is getting more like a kids playground every day