Hi Richard
Very sorry, but no, we have no firm place of birth. We only know his Dads name from his marraige cert. Doing any search for Alfred we are just guessing. He's a real man of mystery.
regards Norman
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Hi Richard
Very sorry, but no, we have no firm place of birth. We only know his Dads name from his marraige cert. Doing any search for Alfred we are just guessing. He's a real man of mystery.
regards Norman
According to Alfred's marriage certificate in October 1902, he was 26 years 4 months, which would make his date of birth June 1876ish. We know he was with 2nd Btn RWF at that time.
The 2nd Btn left China for India late 1902. I had presumed he was discharged in 1903ish because by the time of his first son's birth in Darjeeling January 1904, Alfred's occupation was listed as Sergeant Instructor with Assam Bengal Volunteer Rifles. (Well the certificate appears to say NBMR, but I took that to be an error in the transcription - it's certainly not RWF) I've attached the certificate so you can have a look.
The photo of him as Sergeant Major sporting a LSGC medal was taken in 1910.
If he enlisted at 16, his total length of service would amount to 18 years in 1910 if his time with both the RWF and ABVR are taken into account. Is it calculated on total length of service, regardless of with whom? Or is it a possibiliity that he was seconded to the ABVR from RWF?
The certificate says N.B.M.R. and it's no transcription error. It stands for Northern Bengal Mounted Rifles (HQ at Darjeeling). Apparently Alfred believed in variety.
Enlistment at 16, in 1892, would have meant a number somewhere in the neighbourhood of 3750.
Secondment from RWF to NBMR or ABRyVR/ABRyB would have been theoretically possible, I presume, but highly unlikely.
Still a mystery.
John
Aaah, the plot thickens!
I thought he went straight from RWF to ABRVR, but apparently not.
Thanks for that piece of info - another avenue to try.
Brenda
And the NBMR badge:
Attachment 2602
John
From the London Gazette 1920
The KING has approved the relinquishmentof their temporary commissions by the undermentioned',and the grant of rank as shownbelow: —
INDIAN DEFENCE FORCE.Lt.-Col. R. S. Hawkins, V.D., and is grantedthe rank of Lt.-Col. 19th May 1920.
Could this explain the casual dress in the staff photo?
I don't quite see how, Norman.
John
Hi All.
I know it's been a while, but we are still digging. I've wandered off along the way, tracing my Mothers family. Will get back on track soon.
Norman
Hi All
These may be of interest to anyone following this thread :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/14x-SHOOTI...t_11409wt_1166
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-ANTIQUE...ht_4647wt_1166
Many thanks!
I'm on the case :-)