Staying in the EU

Nowadays I try to stay out of UK internal matters on this forum. Only this is a matter for all Europe. Brexit, Grexit or what ever could be Gexit, Frexit or Swexit.

Think an infantry batallion, where the companies and platoons are independent, and takes on whatever tasks they like. That would probably not work out well.

Nor would any kind of exit from the EU in my mind. We need to stay strong for the Russians and The US. We also need the free movement between our countries, and a good police cooperation. Exit means we go back at least a century, to when every country in Europe did as they pleased. That did not go very well a hundred years or so ago.

Best of luck with your referendum, but personally I dread a Brexit and what the consequenses will be.

And that's why we are a member of NATO nothing to do with being in the EU and with regards to Police cooperation nothing will change that we will continue to share information.

For my two cents worth, you'd have to say that since the end of WW2 our Western nations have been gradually manipulated, bit by bit, into giving up almost everything that we once loved and stood for. Collectively our societies are thoroughly fractured and to stay the course is to take the path to sure doom. In both world wars we had our own 'safe havens'...I mean atleast we had our own turf with which to stage our defences when attacked. Not now. What we have now is a humongous Trojan Horse. Wheeled in with annual political promises that things will get better, when they actually won't. So, when will its troopers emerge? The common gut feeling, is there such a thing, is that there must be a possibility, surely, that 'someone' just has to "flick the switch" and those troopers will not so magically appear, as they are amoungst us already, and then it will be on for young and old. If change is not made the outcome is certainly doom and gloom. Evidence... look at the minutae of changes we have been somewhat 'forced' to endure, the concessions, and each one just another step backwards, but taken as a whole it's a whole act of breakdown. It's not a strain on the brain to think that our apparent backslide is something of a deliberate, concerted, yet gradually paced, attempt at wholesale cultural genocide. There's that old saying, "You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.". More and more people are not being fooled. Just look at politics in the US, just look at the politics in Europe. Something is coming. Our grandfathers seemed to have died in droves only so that some obscure, yet clearly international, common religeo-political force could slip in under the radar and systematically parcel us off into foreign ownership. That force has to be stopped.

Just watching the debate on BBC can some one tell the Mayor of London that Australia is not part of NATO

And if Mr Trump gets elected, the US might withdraw. Scary thought!

Lars

If that happens best we start learning Russian

Vodca dar dar dar

Not lived in Wales for many years now so can someone tell me why they have just bitten the hand off the person that feeds them

hi folks..
So England has voted to leave.. NOTE. NOT Scotland or Northern Ireland. the financial markets are in turmoil.The P.M. is to Resign. his Replacement Will Be Elected by Party Members. So a PM who is Un-elected by the People (ring any bells with Brussels). Any way, until Clause 50 of the Treaty of Brussels is activated the 2 year leave period does not start. it may be of interest that a number of Euro skeptic Cons are saying. well we should wait a bit before we do this, Liam Fox for one.
We are Still in EU. and will be for many years. this Referendum has NO LEGAL standing it was JUST ADVISORY. So do not get too excited we ain't left yet, and may not do so for many years. There will be a Hell of a lot more talking to be done yet. Scotland are already talking about another Referendum over a split with the UK. this will happen so bye bye UK, if Clause 50 is triggered.

ivor

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Originally Posted by vori101

hi folks..
So England has voted to leave.. NOTE. NOT Scotland or Northern Ireland. the financial markets are in turmoil.The P.M. is to Resign. his Replacement Will Be Elected by Party Members. So a PM who is Un-elected by the People (ring any bells with Brussels). Any way, until Clause 50 of the Treaty of Brussels is activated the 2 year leave period does not start. it may be of interest that a number of Euro skeptic Cons are saying. well we should wait a bit before we do this, Liam Fox for one.
We are Still in EU. and will be for many years. this Referendum has NO LEGAL standing it was JUST ADVISORY. So do not get too excited we ain't left yet, and may not do so for many years. There will be a Hell of a lot more talking to be done yet. Scotland are already talking about another Referendum over a split with the UK. this will happen so bye bye UK, if Clause 50 is triggered.

ivor

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You forgot Wales