The uniform

[evansmunro]

Will the uniform, badge and flash stay the same as it has been, or will it be changed?

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[Bob Bacon]

http://rwf-forum.co.uk/vBulletin/miscpix/Badge.jpgThe new dress of The Royal Welsh is a three feather badge on a khaki beret with green edging and a hackle. The new stable belt is blue over green with a red divide and a leather buckle. The Flash has been retained by The Royal Welsh (The Royal Welch Fusiliers)

For more information, Click here (http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/HistoryAndHonour/StDavidsDayBringsFormationOfNewRegimentInWales.htm )

[evansmunro]

Why does the badge called three feathers, when it real name is The Prince of Wales feathers, is the three feathers a sign of cowardism.
Never has the Regiments of Wales shown any cowardism, or any other Regiments of Great Britain.

[Bob Bacon]

The three feather badge caption was writtend by the MOD author of the article. It is of course the Prince of Wales's feathers (http://www.answers.com/topic/prince-of-wales-s-feathers)

[DP43]

The cap badge is actually the "Hiers Feathers" and was designed ny HRH Prince Charles.

[Bob Bacon]

Dave, I don't want to split hairs here (pardon the pun!) but is it the Heir's Feathers? It's just that I cannot find any reference to Hiers Feathers.

If Prince Charles designed it, as you say, it is obviously different to The "Prince of Wales' Feathers", which is the Heraldic badge of the Heir Apparent, derived from the ostrich feathers borne by Edward, the Black Prince.

Thanks for the info - very interesting

[trevor]

G'day Helen, Traditionaly the white feather was deemed to be a simble of cowardice. Hence the classic film,"Four Feathers", So what "drongo" chose them for the RWF heckle????? What was the matter with Red White and Green?????? Best wishes Trevor,640

[UKSniper]

Just to let you know that the cap badge is going to change. How much change is still to be seen but it will change. The Regt is under orders from the Garter to "Difference/Change" the cap badge on amalgamation.

Watch this space.

[taffylooneytoon]

Hi all , ref no1 hats do all officers and snco's wear them now instead of berets. Cheers Val.Shades

[taffylooneytoon]

Hi all, another thing i was thinking was when did you stop wearing the flash on combat jackets, in Berlin the bn wore them , and do the 2 nd bn have to wear our hackle and flash. The other topical question now the merger has took place , has it the status of the oldest infantry regiment in the British army. Cheers Val.Shades

[chalky]

the second battalion only wear the hackle if they are on a duty like guard and such.. but i think if they had a 1st bn rsm then they would wear hackles all the time!

[UKSniper]

Chalky your wrong. They wear them all the time except when its raining or when wearing cam cream which is the same as for the 1st Bn and 3rd Bn.

They also wear the flash on No1/No2/Service and Mess Dresses.

As for being the oldest Infantry in Britain I think you'll find its the Royal Scots 1st of Foot.

[UKSniper]

And yes I did enjoy Blessed Relief.

[jungle1810]

And yes I did enjoy Blessed Relief.

Hello All,
I have heard the new "Hackle" refered to as a Plume owing to it being larger and wider.Can any one verify this new name please.
Regards to all "Don"

[UKSniper]

It is supposed to be called a 'Plume' but everyone, even the 2nd Bn refer to it as a Hackle. The plume is taller and thinner but there are lots of Hackles mixed in. It's a winner on the recruiting and Regt tradition side so Plume or Hackle as long as its working.

[chalky]

Chalky your wrong. They wear them all the time except when its raining or when wearing cam cream which is the same as for the 1st Bn and 3rd Bn.

They also wear the flash on No1/No2/Service and Mess Dresses.

As for being the oldest Infantry in Britain I think you'll find its the Royal Scots 1st of Foot.

when i was with 2nd bn in august they didnt wear hackles unless they were on duties, this might just be as they had just come off leave and we were going to batus. but im not going to argue with the rsm now..

[neil jones 14]

Hi ref No1 hats only WO and officers all other ranks are still in berets

[UKSniper]

Thats because the decision was made before BATUS Chalky and as BATUS is a camcream exercise they never wore them. Volunteer for Telic 10 and you'll see its changed and they wear them all the time now. LOL. Your right I wouldn't argue with the RSM either.

[chalky]

hehe.. year i should be on telic 10. hope so anywho then after that try to stay on with 2nd as a career. how was blessed relief then as a whole? i only saw it from the recce point of view. poor comms and no sleep.

[taffylooneytoon]

Hi all, the RWF was the 23 a foot the Cheshire's, were 22 a foot and dint quote me on this the RRW was 24, but is the Royal Welch a foot now, cheers Val.Shades

[Rog Ball 01]

Slight correction, RRW were 24th/41st.

The South Wales Borders were 24th and the Welch Regiment were the 41st.

And up to the merger we (the 23rd) were the last Fusilier Regiment to be malgamated or merged.

[taffylooneytoon]

Hi all, does this mean there is no line number given to the Royal Welch as the old regiments , cheers Val .Shades

[richie264]

Neil 14 I've dropped you a private message !! (sorry for hijacking the thread)

[jungle1810]

Hello,
The RWF were the 23rd, the Cheshires the 22nd, The South Wales Borderers were the 24th,This 24th is not to be confused with the 2/24th who defended Rorkes Drift they were the Warwickshire Regiment And only had about 13 Welshmen in "B" Coy, None of which won a V.C.To the best of my knowledge when the RRW were on their own theyy were the 41/69th
Regards Don

[jcj]

Hello,
The RWF were the 23rd, the Cheshires the 22nd, The South Wales Borderers were the 24th,This 24th is not to be confused with the 2/24th who defended Rorkes Drift they were the Warwickshire Regiment And only had about 13 Welshmen in "B" Coy, None of which won a V.C.To the best of my knowledge when the RRW were on their own theyy were the 41/69th
Regards Don

None of which won a VC ? Both the undermentioned Welshmen were awarded a VC


Born in Merthyr Road, Abergavenny as John Fielding. He enlisted first in the Monmouthshire Militia in February 1877 but later that year joined the 2/24th. He received his VC from Major General Anderson at Gibraltar in March 1880. He served in India in 1880-1883 before transferring to the reserve. He later served as a sergeant in the 3rd Volunteer Battalion, South Wales Borderers.

Wiiiam Jones:
Born at Raglan, Monmouthshire in August 1857. He enlisted into 2/24th on 10 January 1876 aged 19. After Rorke's Drift he continued his service in India with 2nd Battalion. He transferred to the army reserve in 1882. He subsequently returned to farm labouring at Peterchurch in Herefordshire. There he married at local girl - Elizabeth Hopkins in 1885 and they had five children.

The Royal Regiment of Wales 24th / 41st Foot. And if you visit The Royal Welsh HQ in Maindy Barracks Cardiff it reads The Royal Welsh 23 24 41 69, I only need one more and the bonus ball and I have cracked it.

[jungle1810]

Hello Jcj,
Fielding was also known as Williams he changed his name as his mother tried to stop him enlisting, and Jones were born in Monmouth. And when the defence of Rorkes Drift took place(1789) Monmouth was in ENGLAND.Hence technically a Welshman failed to win a V.C. at the Drift.The Warwicks were not merged with the S.W.B. until 1881 some,3 years after the battles of Isandlwana and the Drift. in Cardwells reformation of the army list. Many thanks for your kind answer, this subject throws a lot of people.
Regards (in the best spirit) RBD

[Rog Ball 01]

Val,

That is a good question. It should be as before for 1st Bn ie, 23rd and 2nd Bn should be 24/41st.

Rog

[richie264]

Where does the 69th come into it? I noticed it on a sign in Hightown Brks.

Still don't like the sound of "We are the galloping 23rd,24th,41st & 69th"

[jungle1810]

Hello All,
Be patient and I will try and answer the Question where did the 69th originate. In 1719 a new regiment was raised it was called Colonel Fieldings Regiment ( The invalids) and was meant to do home duties only as it was raised from members of the Chelsea Pensioners Home.On the 1st of July 1751 it was redesignated the 41st of foot, ( The invalids) On the 11th of December the Invalids character was dropped and the battalion released all the former out patients it had in its ranks, and recruited younger men.Now for the hard part. In 1758 the 69th of foot (The Down and Uppers) raised a second battalion, in the course of their service they won two naval battle honours (As marines) these were 1782 the Battle of Saints and 14th of February the honour Saint Vincent. These were carried over to the Welch Regiment. In 1782 the 69th were the South Lincolnshire Regiment of foot1803 to 1816.They were badly cut up at Quatre Bas which was fought two days before Waterloo in Belgium, they also lost The Kings Colour in this fracas, it was dis banded in 1816 the serving members went to the 1/69th serving in India.In July 1881 it was redesignated The 2nd Battalion Welch Regiment.So I am led to believe this is how the Welch Regiment were known as the 41/ 69th.This went out of the window in 1969 when a Welsh regiment had to be "lost" in the ensuing fight the 24th of Foot was absorbed into the Welsh Regiment plus some of the 24ths battle honours. The Welch Regiment then became the 24/41st of foot?????? A nice story to finish on (It is true ) when the battle with the 41st and the 24th was taking place all three welsh regiments were involved.Colonel J.E.T.Willes was the Colonel of the R.W.F. and he attended a meeting and with an eye on seniority he offered the Welch Regiment to become the 2nd Battalion R.W.F. they refused this offer and so it became a two horse race, So we come to 2006 and what are the Welch Regiment The 2nd Battalion R.W.F. And the problem of new colours and what goes on them is now being decided?????? Sorry to be a bit long winded but there is really no short cut to this question.
Regards R.B.D.aka Don

[UKSniper]

It seems you have a typo in that reply. There is no 2nd Bn RWF. In fact there is not a 1st or 3rd. You will find a 1st, 2nd and 3rd Battalions The Royal Welsh though.

Hope this clarifies the situation for all.

[taffylooneytoon]

SIR , are all bn s have a line number IE 1bn RW 23 A FOOT AND 2 bn RW what ever they were a foot when the were RRW or has it been scrapped, cheers Val.