Silver Jubilee Medal (1977)

[nasher546]

Whilst recently seconded to Oxford I got embroiled into a discussion with a cuople of collegues one of which, for want of a (better word), was Ex Airbourne. Not to bore everyone of the "ins and outs" it transpired that the aforementioned individual claimed to be the recipient of variouis medals one of which being the above madal. When I stated that the Jubilee Medal was somewhat contentious at the time of issue he stated that it was now official that anyone who was serving at the time was in fact entitled to wear this medal. To which I vermantly disagreed.
It is, and certainly was my oppinion, that there were only so many medals issued to each Regiment and it was the Commanding Officers decision who was awarded this medal, and that was it! (People that come to mind were Den Braham, Carl Rowlands, CSM Brian Cooper, Bandmaster Hughes and probably the C.O himself).
Can anyone confirm one way or the other if I am right in what I have stated. It would give me the greatest pleasure to contact the above individual over this issue.

[kevjames84]

Yes you are right, the medal was issued to only 30,000 service men and women from the UK armed forces, and a further 30,000 to Canadian forces. The medal is worth about £180 as opposed to the Golden Jubilee medal which can be now found for as little as £40.

[nasher546]

Kev,

Many thanks for this. Your knowledge of this medal only confirms and strengthens my initial thoughts.

[Rog Ball 01]

I agree, the medal was only issued to certain people, selected at random from within units. I was serv ing with the TA, and it was the COs choice that no Regulars got the medal and all were to be given to the TA soldiers. The CO was over-ruled, and he was presented with a medal.

[ap1]

He sounds like a walt....Just as a matter of interest what other medals is this guy wearing!!!

I think either Dixie Dean or M A Lloyd(or both) also had the Silver Jubilee medal

[nasher546]

Hello,
As a matter of interest his medals were "run of the mill", GSM NI, UN Cyprus,etc. I just happend to pick up on this issue. I think you are right on M.A. Loloyd and Dixy Dean (A Coy if I remember) on receiving the medal. Thanks for bringing two guys,
(whom I served and drank with) back into my memory. Finally a further thanks for the info on the Morgan Matthew's film.

[richie264]

I thought it was issued one for each rank 1 x Fus 1 xJNco etc

[Dusty Miller]

If my memory serves me right I think that there were 5 or 6 of the silver jubilee medals issued to each battalion whereas the more recently issued golden jubilee medal was a far wider issue.

[nasher546]

Hello Dusty,

Ithink you are probably right with the number of medals issued based on nthe recipients below as I belive there could not have been many (if any) more issued in 1RWF.

[Barry69]

I could never understand the reason behind issuing meals for Jubilees, a few crates of beer per company would be far more suitable leaving no one out and preventing the " I was awarded this at the battle jubilee" scenarios ever coming about in civi company that is, my opinion only! but again I never got issued the medal so I am basis of course lol

[Scouse75]

Barry, Im on your side mate! The Royal Welch Junior School of Llangollen awarded everyone the same.........

1. An off yellow coloured mug, with her Majestey's face on it.

2. A Big round silver medal within a half-hearted attempt of a presentation package( black/transparant folder!!) Anyone else got these?

[Scouse75]

Further to my last, Is the mug only off yellow because it's been in my mums cupboard for thirty years!!!?

[daibeer]

Dont remember much about the Jubilee except ( for Drummers only) four keywords. Church Crookham, Prince of Wales Pub, Jubilee and Bulldog Beer.
nuff said!

:Randy-git:

[evans70]

Whilst recently seconded to Oxford I got embroiled into a discussion with a cuople of collegues one of which, for want of a (better word), was Ex Airbourne. Not to bore everyone of the "ins and outs" it transpired that the aforementioned individual claimed to be the recipient of variouis medals one of which being the above madal. When I stated that the Jubilee Medal was somewhat contentious at the time of issue he stated that it was now official that anyone who was serving at the time was in fact entitled to wear this medal. To which I vermantly disagreed.
It is, and certainly was my oppinion, that there were only so many medals issued to each Regiment and it was the Commanding Officers decision who was awarded this medal, and that was it! (People that come to mind were Den Braham, Carl Rowlands, CSM Brian Cooper, Bandmaster Hughes and probably the C.O himself).
Can anyone confirm one way or the other if I am right in what I have stated. It would give me the greatest pleasure to contact the above individual over this issue.I can confirm as i checked with Medal Office each unit that were part of the Silver Jubilee were given a % for the Commanding Officer to issue. Even though more people were involved

[nasher546]

Dai,

What about the "Jubilee Ale".

[daibeer]

One of the most important words, I didnt miss it out mate, its in there
Remember Winnies double ?

[ap1]

Something in my memory tells me Dixie Dean was selected as the Fusilier to receive the medal, after an incident on the previous Belfast tour, when he had protected his boss M A Lloyd from a bricking during a riot.

Right or Wrong?

[nasher546]

Al,

I think you are right, in fact the issue of these medals were very shortly after this NI tour.

[richie264]

Your right Al I'm sure he recieved at least an eye injury.

[mikedonnelly]

Al the incedent happened during a search Op in the Turf Lodge Dixy and myself were next to each other on the cordon when a brick bounced off my visor and smacked Dixy in the face he got about £700 comp which should have been mine i had only just got married and could have done a lot with that, he was always lucky.

[ap1]

he got about £700 comp which should have been mine i had only just got married and could have done a lot with that, he was always lucky.


Grabbing pads eh...if they weren't beanstealing, or whinging about the lack of bricks in the face, they would probably be in my room drinking my tea or asleep on my bed!!!

:winker:

[daibeer]

Sure that wasnt Spud Murphy (Drums)

[nasher546]

Dai,

"Winnies Double"??????????????????????????????

[nasher546]

Al,

I think Dai is right. Spud Murphy was a right beanstealer.

[daibeer]

Winnies double, remember she used a bedspread sewn up on the sides as a dress, and someone in the Drums got quite intimate with her on a garden wall
(is this allowed?)

:cute:

[nasher546]

Dai,

Now I remember, sorry for the senile moment. I'm glad to say it was'nt me I was drinking the Jubilee Ale![/QUOTE]

[Aled Roberts]

A Royal Welshman sporting the 1977 Jubilee in his medal rack is a rare beastie from my digging about - there were only 19 awarded.

If anyone has one, I would appreciate a heads up so as I can check how accurate my findings are.

:radar:

[keith Jones 14]

I think Den Brayham was awarded with this medal. I remember being on the parade sq in Lucknow Bks Tidworth. I was at that time in the Vigilant ATK Platoon. Thats when you flew the missile not guided them. The good old days.

[peterlansley]

Carl Rowlands tells me he was a Cpl at Borden as APC training, he was presented with the Jubilee medal there.:smile:

[Aled Roberts]

Carl Rowlands tells me he was a Cpl at Borden as APC training, he was presented with the Jubilee medal there.:smile:

I have him as Cpl serving with the 1st Bn

Thanks Peter first signs are good :2thumbsup

[Aled Roberts]

(People that come to mind were Den Braham, Carl Rowlands, CSM Brian Cooper, Bandmaster Hughes and probably the C.O himself).

All of the above named are on the list.

Incidentally there were four officers in total :

Capt Broad
Maj Egan
Col Graesser
Maj Gen Leuchars

[nasher546]

Hello Richard,

Thanks for the info on the receipients. With yours, mine and Fus Dean that makes 10. Perhaps the other 9 went to 3 RWF?

[Aled Roberts]

I think only 3 went to 3/RWF - so some 1/RWF boys kept it quite :tongue:

[benney]

YOUR RIGHT BRO VERY FEW WERE ISSUED, AS THE LAST ONE ANY ONE WHO HAD SERVED 4 YEARS OR MORE AND STILL SERVING AT THE TIME OF THE GOLDEN JUBILE GOT ONE, I THINK THIS GUY YOU TALKING TO IS A BIT OF A SPACE CADET:notworthy:

[BennytheBall]

I'm postive that Ray Jasper was awarded one too?

I think a majority went to the Regimental Band.

BennytheBall

[Aled Roberts]

I'm postive that Ray Jasper was awarded one too?

I think a majority went to the Regimental Band.

He is also on my list Benny. As Cpl 1/RWF.

This is turning into a quiz !

[ap1]

My Turn, My Turn(hand up). Whats about Bill Street, he finished in 77, did he get one?

[Glyn Hughes 17]

I think from the 3rd Bn, the following:
The Late Col Philip Lloyd
WO 2 George Evans

[nasher546]

Al,

I think you could be right. Bill did have a chest full. Rich, is he on the list?

[richjones16]

no mate i never was...the guys from the Chesires lost out...a little fire..at the knock and wait sign..06 thanks mate..what happened to the .357...
I loved life in the Drums...

[daibeer]

Hello 16
Personally, I thought you were a bit of a rogue, leading young drummers like me down a stony path. I think siggy flogged the magnum after the great cheshire fire, he he he
Dai

[Guvs]

no mate i never was...the guys from the Chesires lost out...a little fire..at the knock and wait sign..06 thanks mate..what happened to the .357...
I loved life in the Drums...
Hi Richy
Your talking in riddeles now but I know what you are on about, as do a few others, anybody know of or heard form 06 ? would be nice to invite him to our next RWF Drummers reunion I think we owe him that at least, 6 months is a long time for something you never did. opps!!

[richjones16]

Would Love to see o6 again..as i said thanks mate!!....Guvs you have a good memory...It was'nt me I was with Dai..Ha Ha....Good times the RWF/RRW ruled Church crookham with an iron fist..GOOD TIMES..

[richjones16]

Good Times...anyone remembere the women!!!!or cant we talk about that.??

[Ken Barrow]

Egger Bonjos

[richjones16]

Yes Ken..How you doing Mate..we called her Bron-Y-Mawr.her real name was Wendy...is that Welsh for big ****..???

[nasher546]

Dai,

I think Siggy got bust for pulling out the .357 in a night club in Cardiff.

Guvs,

I thought you were jnto "fire".

[Aled Roberts]

Al - I don't have Bill Street on my list - have another go :tongue:

Glyn - George Evans is on it, but Col Lloyd is not.

This is a good exercise for me - as I get to add the missing Christian names !

[DP43]

I don't know if this contributes in any useseful way but my Grand Father was awarded the Silver Jubilee Medal as a member of the Oddfellows Lodge (Cardiff Branch) but he had also served through WW2 in the Royal Navy (HMS Hardy North Atlantic Convoys, torpedoed twice - great story). The question is what was the civilian distribution of the medal and what was the qualifing criteria?

[richjones16]

The 357 belonged to me..nicks was in Cardiff..what a PLT ...it was was mad crazy times...remember the pub The prince of Wales...we took over the place..Oh and yes I did become Firefiighter..get a smoke alarm they save lives...

[Aled Roberts]

DP

I am not sure what the qualifying criteria was for civilians, but I will try and dig something out.

The 'lack' of Silver Jubilee Medals issued (approx 30,000 opposed to approx 320,000 Golden Jubilee Medals) I think can be better understood here, based on papers recently released to the National Archives :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6212949.stm

[Guvs]

Sorry Richard the old corps seem to of hijacked this thread for a bit. For some reason I thought George Bostock had one or was it he thought he should of had one as he was a figer head of the regiement.

[richjones16]

The guy deserverd one...he was one of the best SNR ranks..we ever had.

[Glyn Hughes 17]

Having had a rethink, (I was RSM with the 3rd Bn 1977-1980) the following could be the distribution .
Col A Graesser Hon Col 3rd Bn RWF.
Maj J Egan OC D Coy 3rd Bn RWF
WO 2 G Evans CSC D Coy 3rd Bn RWF

Maj Gen P R Leuchars Hon Col 1st BN RWF

Col Philip Lloyd HQ Wales TA Col North Wales.

[Aled Roberts]

Glyn

4 out of 5 :yes:

I don't have Lloyd on my list though - thats not to say he shouldn't be!

[nasher546]

Richard,

Whilst waiting for my Mrs to finnish her Christmas shopping yesterday someone else popped into my mind. It was Les Bellamy. I think he was a Sgt or CSgt when he got the medal. Is he on the list?

[Aled Roberts]

Not on my list Nasher

If anyone is still in touch with Les it would be good to know a) did he get one and b) if yes, with the RWF or another unit \ reason.

Anymore names ?

[ap1]

I think Les has the MBE. Am I right?

[Aled Roberts]

I think Les has the MBE. Am I right?

We could start another thread on MBEs ! :radar:

I don't have Les on my list. That said it is very specific, as I can only identify Military division ones, and obviously they had to be RWF to appear on my radar.

If Les did get an MBE I would very much like to know, especially if he was still serving with the RWF at the time of the award.

Richard

[Smokeyjoe]

Richard, I am sure that Les Bellamy got one.
Joe.

[Bob Bacon]

I think Les has the MBE. Am I right?

I don't think he was awarded an MBE; however, I have emailed him for further information

[nasher546]

Al,

Do'nt think Les was awarded the MBE/BEM, however I think he may have got the MSM.

[Smokeyjoe]

You are right Nasher, Les got an MSM not the Jubilee medal.
The list in the regimental record for the Jubilee Medal reads as follows:

Maj Gen PR Leuchers. Col RWF.
Hon Col Sir A Grasser. Hon Col 3 RWF.
Col C Hince. SHAPE.
Col JP Lloyd. ADC to the Queen.
Lt Col RM Llewellyn. 1 RWF
Lt Col MI Burkham. 3 RWF
Maj JN Egan. 3 RWF
Capt JS Broad. 1 RWF
RSM B Hughes 1 RWF
WO2 B Cooper. 1 RWF.
WO2 G Evans. 3 RWF.
C/Sgt J Thomas 1 RWF
Sgt W Doutch. 1 RWF.
Sgt B Cowling. 1 RWF.
Sgt D Gittings. 1 RWF.
Cpl P Dagnell. 1 RWF.
Cpl JC Davies. 1 RWF.
Cpl R Jasper. 1 RWF.
Cpl C Rowlands. 1 RWF.
L/cpl D Braham. 1 RWF.
L/Cpl E Burn. 1 RWF.
Fus J Dean. 1 RWF.

Joe.

[Aled Roberts]

Nice one Joe


Col C Hince. SHAPE.
Col JP Lloyd. ADC to the Queen.
Lt Col RM Llewellyn. 1 RWF
Lt Col MI Burkham. 3 RWF


I didn't have the above on my list.

I only have one chap not in the list above :

WO2 F Green 1/RWF

Will be interesting to see if anymore come out of the woodwork.

Richard

[Barry69]

I thought Irve had it too?

[nasher546]

Joe,

Excellent bit of detective work. I suppose its easy when you have all those old names in front of you. Cetrtainly brought back some memories. Thanks again Joe.

Rich,

WO2 F Green was in fact Band Sergeant Major Fred Green.

[Aled Roberts]

So this is the combined list :



L/Cpl Braham, Den 1st Bn
Capt Broad J. 1st Bn
L/Cpl Burn E. 1st Bn
WO 2 Cooper, Brian 1st Bn
Sgt Cowling B. 1st Bn
Cpl Dagnell P. 1st Bn
Cpl Davies J. 1st Bn
Fus Dean J. 1st Bn
Sgt Doutch E. 1st Bn
Maj Egan J. 3rd Bn
WO 2 Evans, George 3rd Bn
Sgt Gittings D. 1st Bn
Col Graesser Sir Alistair Durward DSO OBE MC TD JP DL Hon Col 3rd Bn
WO 2 Green, Fred 1st Bn Band Sgt Major
WO 1 Hughes B. 1st Bn Bandmaster
Cpl Jasper Ray 1st Bn
Maj Gen Leuchars P. CBE Col RWF
Cpl Rowlands, Carl 1st Bn
C/Sgt Thomas J. 1st Bn
Col Hince C SHAFE
Col Lloyd J P ADC to Queen
Lt Col Llewellyn R M 1st Bn
Lt Col Burkham M I 3rd Bn


Can anyone add any details, coys, photos, ect ?

Would be good if we could gather as much useful info as we can for future generations. I can supply service numbers for any of the above if needed to narrow the field.

I would also be personally interested to see a photo of a RWF medal group with one in. (My anorak tendencies coming through ..... :GEEK: )

I had to look up Col Graesser, he won the MC in 1944 with the Reconnaissance Corps and the DSO in the gazette of 1946 with the same unit. Anyone know when he came to the RWF ?

[Smokeyjoe]

The first mention I have found of Col Sir Allistair Grasser was when he took over Honorary Col of the 4th Cadet Bn RWF in May 1972, he was also Hon Col of the 3rd Bn RWF from 17th May 1972-16th Nov 1980.
My guess is that he came from outside the Regiment, by the way Fred Green was awarded the MSM.
Regards,
Joe.

[Smokeyjoe]

There is an error in the book which I quoted from regarding Col Sir Alistair Graesser, he died in 1993 so he could not have been Hon Col of 3 RWF from 1993 -1980 as quoted in the Regimental Records.
Sorry to give duff info.
Regards,
Joe.

[Aled Roberts]

No problem Joe !

One thing I have learned in my many years researching, never solely rely on other peoples books or findings. Dig and cross reference as much as you can.

Which is why threads like this, and help like yours are invaluable ! :yes:

It is much easier to talk to folk who knew these chaps, or the chaps themselves. Any mistakes can be easily ironed out that way.

Some of my World War One research has given me an enormous headache - the problem being that the old soldiers have faded away and there is nobody left to ask.

Thanks again for all your help Joe, very much appreciated. If we keep posting our findings and sources it will all come together.

When we are happy with it we can create a new tidy post for all to see.

Richard

[Gerrycc943]

Hi Richard,

I worked in the Bn Ord Room in Tidworth at the time and I was certain that Drum Maj George Bostock was a recipient. I think he was a GLOSTER when he came to us, would there be anything under that Regt?

Bye for now

[nasher546]

Hi Gerry,

I am pretty sure George Bostock (RIP) did not get one. If I remember it was quite a contencious issue at the time as he was the only Drum Major on parade on Horse Guards Parade in the Prince of Wlales Div who did not have one.

[Bob Bacon]

I have received a reply back from Joan Bellamy reference Les' medals:

Les received the Silver Jubilee medal, and the MSM but not the MBE, hope this clarifies the situation.

Wishing you, Barbara and family a very Happy Christmas.

Joan

[Ianto 10]

Is there an Official List on who got this Medal?
I have seen previous threads with a list, are they official?
Merry Christmas to all,
Ianto

[Keith Jones 989]

My son picked up a jubilee medal in a flea market at Niagra Falls, a few years ago, for a couple of dollars. Of course we have no way of knowing it is genuine, but if it is, is there any way of finding out who it was presented to. There are no names, numbers, ranks or regiment details on the medal. Is that the same with all of them?

I was serving with 1 D and D at the time. No chance of me getting one then!

[nasher546]

I would just like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. I returned to Oxford last week and took great joy informing an ex Para that in my opinion he was wearing this medal under false pretences. It really is sweet getting one back on the "Airborne".

Mind you, I know a certain ex Drum Major (who will remain nameless) who got "one up" on the Paras over a certain sandwich. The filling of this sandwich will also remain nameless. I just cannot remember where this took place, however I am sure someone out there will jog my memory.

Thanks again all.

[dave warner]

Hi keith jones when was you with the D&D AS WAS THERE WITH BUFF Rose in anti tanks in 1976 t0 79 drop us a line.:laugh:Dai Warner

[Keith Jones 989]

Hi Dave,

I was Chief Clerk 1 D and D from April 1976 to mid 1980 in Belfast Barracks, Osnabruck. Fred Shortis and Bill Bullocke were the COs during that time (oops, forgot that John Wilsey was just taking over as CO when I left in mid 80)!

[Braz]

Keith did you by any chance know Paul Lipinski?

[Keith Jones 989]

Paul was a Lcpl clerk in the Orderly Room. I also knew his brother (name escapes me!) who transferred to RMP.

[davidrmac]

Good thread lads , just spent 15 minutes reading it .
Anyway , as I was not even in around that time the only jubilee that I came across was triangular shaped type of thing , made of ice and tasted orangry or was that a Jubalee ?
All help greatly appreciated

[nasher546]

Dave,

I think you were right second time around it was a Jublee!

[jeffdj]

I would just like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. I returned to Oxford last week and took great joy informing an ex Para that in my opinion he was wearing this medal under false pretences. It really is sweet getting one back on the "Airborne".

Mind you, I know a certain ex Drum Major (who will remain nameless) who got "one up" on the Paras over a certain sandwich. The filling of this sandwich will also remain nameless. I just cannot remember where this took place, however I am sure someone out there will jog my memory.

Thanks again all.might have been sennelager sunday night starting our field firing on the monday 1980 maybe

[nasher546]

Spot on Jeff.