Louis Williams Boxing Belt Found!!! [Archive]

Scouse75

13-09-2007, 22:44

Firstly, apologies for creating a new post on same subject.(Couldnt find 1st one!)

It gives me great pleasure to inform the lads who knew Louis Williams, that I have been contacted regarding the whereabouts of the memorial belt. Firstly can I say that the person who contacted me wishes to remain anonymous for no other reason than, they were given the belt in good grace. It was given to the person during a transit period on the belief that it would not be awarded again due to the amalgamation. The person who handed over the belt to the other member also did so in good faith. Reading the post on Louis Williams from some of the old and bold weighed heavily on the mind of the recipient of the belt.

He contacted me and asked would I, on his behalf, request that the belt be given back to Louis' family, as it is much more precious to them. The forum member is going to drop the belt off with me and I will of course pass it on to any member who can restore it to its rightful place, with the family.When I receive it, I can deliver the belt anywhere in the Wrexham area whilst in work, or will arrange its movement further afield.

I would like to reiterate that the member wanted to return the belt as soon as he read the thread, but had not been on the forum for some time. I hope that you will all understand that I have been asked not to disclose who the members who gave/received the belt, but please be assured that was done in good faith. Im sure you will all respect this.

Cheers

Scouse

richie264

13-09-2007, 23:56

It does seem a that it won't be presented again one Idea might be to place it along side his Mess Dress in the Cpl's Mess. If this is not possible I would be honoured to return it to his family maybe other Forum members who knew Lou would like to join me in this task.

Scouse75

14-09-2007, 00:31

Richie,

Any decision on the belt will obviously need to be made by yourself and others who knew Louis, and what you, his friends feel is best. I am merely acting on behalf of another member who wants to return the belt mate.

BennytheBall

14-09-2007, 00:41

I can respect the wishes of the the family, but being one of the old and bold, I can remember that during the 1st Bn novices boxing competition, that the best novice got the honour of winning the the belt? I totatlly agree with the family, if this tradadition is not carried on within the 1st Bn ,because of operational commitments, then the family should find a "Pride and Place " for Lou's belt. God Rest his Soul.

Is it an open debate?

Benntyhe Ball

It wasn't me I was with Dai Beer!

dutchman

14-09-2007, 05:09

the regiment has his mess dress in my opnion his family should have the belt the nobel art of boxing inerlinked with a noble man like louie , his family would be over the moon.

Bri Brazier

14-09-2007, 07:42

Isn't the belt on the Red Dragon Property books? I know of the belt as i've engraved it with the name of the best novice boxer a few times.

Rob 33

14-09-2007, 08:18

This is REF another Item.

When my son passed away there was a trophy encased in a box with his picture in it, and was held in the Red Dragon, it was next to the bell when i last saw it.

It was the Keegan Lee Memorial trophy, presented to the person who had done the most for the Football club that season.

If any 1 knows if it is still around, and presented could they please let me know, if it is just in a box some where, would it be possible for me to get it back, was a nice little trophy encased by Wire 75, and i think engreaved by Bri Brazier.

Like The Louis Williams belt, people don't think of the families when they give things away, and with this great forum there is plenty of ways to find people.

Well done Scouse did chuckle and narrow the list down ha ha

Barry69

14-09-2007, 09:11

Having known Lou, and watch him box the belt was the ideal trophy in his memory, like Richie I would like to have seen the Best Novice continue but if it does not then yes it should go to the family.

The most important thing is that trophy/awards like this must not be inadvertently forgotten and if a time comes that they are no longer competed for then the family should take priority and be given it as then it would be sure to find pride of place.

And yes having the forum would very much help with the ability to ensure this happens.

Barry

PS My thoughts only !

Scouse75

14-09-2007, 12:27

Bri,

I am not sure if it is still accounted for on any books etc. This is why I have asked for people in the know, and the people who knew Louis to advise me. I will do what I am instructed to, my only involvement will be to pick up the belt and hand it over to whoever you want me to. I know this is an emotional subject but I will obviously not be involved in any of the decision making process.

Basically, a member wishes to return the belt to whoever you all feel it should be returned to. If any of the 'older and bolder' want to organise a debate/decision, then just let me know what you want me to do. Hope this helps.

p.s...Dont shoot the messenger or in this case the 'middle man!!'

MikeCarey

14-09-2007, 12:35

Maybe the option should be put to the family first? If the Bn had time to bring back novice boxing i'm sure they would like to see the belt used for what it was intended for. Only my opinion, but things do fall by the wayside and then come back years later i.e Top Dog.

Mike

Dai72

14-09-2007, 13:14

Can't see how the belt was given away in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sox3044

15-09-2007, 08:14

Im pretty sure it was on the red dragon books. Yes we all know that operational commitments can reak havoc on our sport, but it isnt going to be every year that the boxing cant take place. This belt is a great inspiration for the boys to fight their hearts out not only for their respective Coy's but for them selves. Some good lads with hearts of lions have won that belt over the years and it would be a shame to see it go. That is unless the family wanted it.

ap1

15-09-2007, 14:24

Can I suggest we obtain the view of the CO 1 RW:

Sometims decisions are taken, without actually passing the CO´s desk. I suspect Col James may have a view on this. He may even wish his young novice boxers to continue boxing for the belt. Ask him and see.

He or CVW can be emailed via the site

Glen

15-09-2007, 15:22

Hi everyone,
The family knew nothing about Louie's mess dress in the glass case.....and were thrilled to hear about it. They know nothing about the belt.
Should Louie's parents both be alive then i think the situation would be a little different.
There are three brothers and two sisters (i think). One brother and sister live locally the others are scattered around the country. As families can do at times.....there would be arguing over who has what & where!!!

Maybe a photo of the belt or the mess dress would be better for the family. I could easily make further copies for them so they can all have a few photos of Louie. I dont think they have many photos of him to be honest.
Thanks again
Glen

Rico

15-09-2007, 23:37

Mike Thomas

16-09-2007, 14:58

Scouse
i know the family and where they live in Rhostryfan.
I used to be in the Regimental band but have been with North wales police for the last 20+ years. I believe that there are some coppers on here that work in the Wrexham area. If they send it to me in the internal post i will deliver it to the family.

DC 200 Mike Thomas
Research and Development officer
Intelligence Unit
Western Division
Caernarfon.

Hope this helps in some way!!

Mike

keith Jones 14

16-09-2007, 16:02

I agree with all the comments regarding this belt and should be returned to his family. Scose please get in touch with me as Lous brother is a member of Caernarfon Branch RWFCA

ap1

16-09-2007, 16:47

With reference to the belt, it was presented last in 2005 when it went missing!

I organised the Inter Coys and it has been sort after since, especially on our move to Cyprus, by me and the Boxing Officer.

I think the family would like it to be returned to the 1st Bn to be presented again. I would love to know of its handlers when it went missing!

Regards

Rico:mad:

Rico´s message pretty much settles it really Guys. It should be passed back to the 1st Bn ASAP, so that young novice boxers can have the honour of being presented with Louis Williams Belt. If they are not going to use it, then a proper decision on its future can be made........ Hopefully there will be a permanent Red Dragon Club in Chester, which would be its natural home.

Scouse75

16-09-2007, 17:07

Been away for the weekend, so only just seen replies. As I said earlier, I will do whatever Im told to do. I will request the member to drop it off in Wrexham Police station for me, and I will take it up to Hightown Bks. I will hand it over to a Royal Welsh(1st Bn) person and let al poole know who has it. Then, I can then remove myself from any involvement in this matter. I hope this is to everyone's satisfaction.

rob jones 60

16-09-2007, 17:32

Its great news that the Louis Williams belt has been found .His name will live on in the battalion and be an inspiration to the young lads when they take to the ring and stand toe to toe. Many thanks to Scouse75 for getting the belt back on its way to the Battalion..

Rob 33

16-09-2007, 18:21

Hey Scouse k M8

Don't suppose the said person is in possesion of Eds 90 wedding sword as well Ha Ha, and REF: the person handing it in, will you be giving him a caution lol.

PS Download Skype an ring Al Poole that way, lot cheaper for u then M8

Scouse75

17-09-2007, 01:19

Rob,
good try matey,but I gave my word I would not mention either person. The bottom line is, neither did anything underhand, they genuinly, although wrongly, thought it would be ok.At least it's all sorted and the belt is rightly on its way back! Im never being a ' go between' again!!!

Keep safe mate, see you soon for a few beers in Wrexham.

richie264

17-09-2007, 02:15

Nobodies knocking you mate & the individual who had it has done the right thing & handed it in.

In my opinion the belt should be with the 1st Bn whether on display or to be fought for once again, it is The Bns decision to make, if a fitting place cannot be found then with the families permission it could go into the care of the Caernarvon RWFCA & be put on display there, in any case pictures should be taken of both the Mess Dress & the Belt & be circulated to his family as soon as any decision is made & bring to an end this sorry state of affairs.

scorch

17-09-2007, 16:37

Rob
Ref the memorial trophy you presented i beleive it still stands pride of place next to the bar however at the moment the Btn does not have a football team. However i am sure when we get to Chester all the the regimental teams will reform. If you got any questions mate i will do my best to answer them.

Scouse75

17-09-2007, 16:50

The louis Williams belt has now been dropped off with the recruiting team at Hightown, Wxm. They have assured me it will be winging it's way to Cyprus this week.

Do Not underestimate the power of the Forum!!

Cheers,

Scouse

Rob 33

17-09-2007, 17:17

Hi Scorch

Thanks a lot for that M8, it was most appreciated.

Hopefully get to Chester when the lads reach there.

Cheers Rob

sox3044

18-09-2007, 06:44

you gotta be joking scouse it will be on jase hills wall next week pride of place lol

scorch

18-09-2007, 11:47

Rob
found out today that we do have a football team and the captain Cpl neil jones 49 ashured me that the tradition of the trophy will be upheld at the end of the season

Rob 33

18-09-2007, 13:03

Cheers Scorch M8

Say Hi to neil 4 me, an hopefully catch him in Wxm sometime.

If nxt time it is awarded, a pic of the winner and the trophy would be appreciated.

Many thanks

stevebarlow

18-09-2007, 21:16

Having been the first person to win the Louis Williams Belt, I believe it should be returned to the regiment, and in memory of Lou the novice boxing competion should be continued.

sox3044

24-09-2007, 17:10

well said steve

Oggy Hewitt1

27-09-2007, 15:02

The belt is now in Cyprus, having arrived by post on Tuesday. Major Brian Bloor (QM) has the belt in his office, awaiting reframing and being replaced back in the Red Dragon.

Regards Oggy

Dai72

27-09-2007, 16:22

The place it should not have left.

Scouse75

27-09-2007, 20:28

Dai, No one is disagreeing that the belt should have remained within the Battalion. None more so than the person who was given the belt, as Ive said numerous times.."In Good faith!!". I understand there are strong feelings, especially from those of you who were close to Louis.Yes, it should have stayed in the Battalion without doubt. But it is back there now. At least the person who had it, had the balls to contact one of us and get it sent back.

John Turner

27-09-2007, 21:36

The belt is now in Cyprus, having arrived by post on Tuesday. Major Brian Bloor (QM) has the belt in his office, awaiting reframing and being replaced back in the Red Dragon.

Regards Oggy

<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1>Everywhere I go I look at what's hanging on the walls in frames and I see some right old carp about - acid laden mountboard that will eventually rot all it touches - methods ditto. Also stuff that has faded badly.

When you take this for framing, ask how it is going to be mounted - if they mention ANY sort of adhesive, tell them to stuff it!

It should be stitched in place, and not by piercing anything, or some other totally reversible method, on to archival board, and UV filtering glass should be recommended.

The thing should be spaced well away from the glass.

If you can get it here I'll do it FOC and give it 'museum' glass - UV filtering with optical coatings that make it 'invisible' not that fuzzy horrible non-reflective carp - it's uncanny - in normal light you have to touch it to believe it's there.

Costs and arm an a leg (well, just an arm to me) but I know it won't come this way anyway - tee hee.

Some photos and a biography included in the frame would be a nice touch too.

Tom Jones-Parry

18-11-2007, 18:24

That is an interesting post; first of all I would like to thank you all for looking after the belt and keeping Lou’s memory alive.
Where is the belt to be found now, as I would like to see it, if at all possible I have very little knowledge of his achievements in the battalion, where could I find out any of this? Is there any photos of him on this site that I could download.
Any information would be gladly received.
Thanks again for your efforts.

Steve Williams (Louis‘s younger brother)

PS any info I shall pass on to Steve as he doesn’t have a PC.

richie264

19-11-2007, 01:43

Tom I have dropped you a PM, pictures of Louis 1980s section page 10 "if you go down to the woods" Lou front centre, "Lemgo 80s" lou standing by a tractor, we had been to watch a tractor pulling competition. page 8.. "Belfast 81" me & Lou with WRAC girl.

Tom Jones-Parry

19-11-2007, 09:09

Thanks mate, much appreciated pair of you tapping of in Belfast ‘eh. :laugh:

ap1

19-11-2007, 21:21

That is an interesting post; first of all I would like to thank you all for looking after the belt and keeping Lou’s memory alive.
Where is the belt to be found now, as I would like to see it,
.

Hi Tom,

Welcome to the Forum. The belt is in Cyprus, perhaps one of the boys over there can take a picture.

Oggie/Beefy, can either of you oblige please?