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According to the Royal Welsh Veterans site(13 June 2007). This will be the new Royal Welsh capbadge.
http://rwf-forum.co.uk/gallery/files/3/newcapbadge.jpg
jungle1810
20-06-2007, 12:06
Hello Al,
What a load of ****. Both of us know when regts are amalgamated a new cap badge is mandatory. But our old badge was a piece of history.DAMN ECAB AND ALL WHO SAIL IN HER.
Regards Don
Hello Al,
What a load of ****. Both of us know when regts are amalgamated a new cap badge is mandatory. But our old badge was a piece of history.DAMN ECAB AND ALL WHO SAIL IN HER.
Regards Don
Agreed. You would struggle to find an RWF connection with the badge. Bet the RRW boys are chuffed to bits
Fortyfive
20-06-2007, 12:28
Looks like we are no longer a part of the army to me sod the ones in power. But we all know that it will be in our heart we will always be Royal Welch for the rest of our lifes. Sel
bennyball2
20-06-2007, 12:31
Just been on the Vetrans Site, comments about the Cap Badge say it all.
Paul Davies 701
20-06-2007, 14:59
We did keep the Flash & Hackle tho, hopefully that will never die
Lofty-25
20-06-2007, 15:44
What a sad day for the Royal Welch Fusiliers, not only do we lose our cap badge but even the "Welch", so so very sad for those who have worn the badge with honour, so much for our history, wipped out at a stroke of a design
richie264
20-06-2007, 18:50
****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:arghh: :no: :realmad:
found this on ebay its not so new http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-WW1-THE-WELSH-CAP-BADGE-100-ORIG-BI-METAL-LOOK_W0QQitemZ170122060289QQihZ007QQcategoryZ64820 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
or we could just have this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WELCH-REGIMENT-MILITARY-BADGE-BI-METAL-FROM-1920_W0QQitemZ220068036098QQihZ012QQcategoryZ42374 QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
sean a coy
20-06-2007, 19:53
was it the same designer who made the 2012 olympic sign for london? what colours the new cap badge going to be? pink, green, yellow...
bobpowell
20-06-2007, 20:19
Boring: whoever designed this must have done it on their coffee break, a complete lack of imagination.
keithwill38
20-06-2007, 20:29
Shafted yet again
Antony McCarten
20-06-2007, 22:49
hi all.as the drum major of the 1st Bn i should let you know,that at this moment in time we are keeping the same design of our RWF scarlets,all that will change are the buttons,But watch this space...............So at the moment we are staying RWF!
Scouse75
21-06-2007, 01:01
Not impressed!! No matter what traditions and customs we take over to the formation of a new Regt, it is always the Cap badge that ultimately determines who we are. Whenever you look at another Regiment/Unit it is the badge you recognise above and beyond all else. The RRW must be having a right little chuckle!
Scouse75
BennytheBall
21-06-2007, 08:27
To All RWF Comrades.
Just to reminder you that the RWF Comrades Association Branch members will continue to carry out the RWF Regimental values in that when on parade the members will continue to wear the dark coloured beret and the RWF Cap Badge and Hackle. (Remember our RWF Comrades' Association have still got our old traditional customs and are independent, the Comrades' are the RWF now) so wear your headress and Cap badge with pride.
Yours
BennytheBall
Hon Secretary/ EXEC Member
Shotton and Deeside Branch RWF Comrades' Association
bennyball2
21-06-2007, 12:54
Just read on the Vetrans Site that they will be having the Green patch behind the Badge, does this include all Battalions
Even the temporary badge has the green backing, so I believe its always been agreed to have it.
UKSniper
21-06-2007, 19:41
Just read on the Vetrans Site that they will be having the Green patch behind the Badge, does this include all Battalions
Yes all Battalions. It was the 1st Bn that suggested we go back to it as the 5mm cut to shape looks terrible and is difficult for tailors to do.
So once the new badge is issued we will all go to the square green patch.
Paul Hinge
21-06-2007, 22:27
Well what can I say that's not already been said!
What's the betting that RRW Brigadier had his hand in this mish-match as well!
I hope that the Colours can at least be something we can all remember. Or has that S..... T... got that stitched up also?
As Royal Welchmen we can be and stay proud of the fact that for over 300 years we served as a Single Regiment. Those who seek to destroy the identitiies and bonds of loyal regiments by making our Armed Forces no more recognisable than the US forces, are even today feeling the pinch of their ill-concieved c..k-up as we see our boys in complete overstretch having to move from one commitment to the next like robots; not getting the breaks and career structures they all deserve. When oh when will politicians and the MOD learn to listen to the people who do their dirty work?
Hingey
Smokeyjoe
22-06-2007, 00:28
I am not at all suprised at anything which happens now, I apoligise to any RRW members on the forum but even they must admit that they have got the better deal on the merger or whatever you wish to call it, we were truly sold down the river and history will eventualy tell us the truth as to who is responsible as long as the freedom of information act remains in place.
Regards to all,
A very despondent Joe.
UKSniper
22-06-2007, 08:10
I am not at all suprised at anything which happens now, I apoligise to any RRW members on the forum but even they must admit that they have got the better deal on the merger or whatever you wish to call it, we were truly sold down the river and history will eventualy tell us the truth as to who is responsible as long as the freedom of information act remains in place.
Regards to all,
A very despondent Joe.
I have heard the same grumbles from ex RRW members that I have heard from here. Everyone seems to think the other half have profited the most. The 1st have accepted the patch and cap badge. The 2nd have accepted the hackle, flash and bomb. We have all accepted the new belt, beret and buttons.
We still await the confirmation of the colours but as with all mergers it will have items from both Antecedant Regiments.
we have all worn and serverd as "royal welch" as long as that is in our hearts they can't take that away.
dutchman
22-06-2007, 08:34
meds took the words right out of my mouth - jeez that could be a song - as far as i can see it's done and dusted the merger is complete ,cap badges selected etc etc whilst i agree it is a damn shame that a proud and long standing regiment such as the rwf seem to have suffered more there is nothing more that can be done so is there any real reason to go over old ground ,i think not and before the flak starts coming my way i understand why people are upset but what's done is done .in finishing and before i go and get my head down below the parapet just remember you served in a great regiment and noone can take that away from you .
Paul Davies 701
22-06-2007, 09:34
I agree with the dutchman, what's done is done and no amount of protests will change that. No one who has servered or is still serving in both the RWF & RRW agreed with this merger, it's just another way that Tony Blairs government can get closer to becoming the newest State in the USA. However one thing that they cannot take away from ALL ex-RWF is that we served in one of the finest Regiments in the Bristish Army who's history can be traced back to every major battle in the past 300 years. What we've got a duty to do now is educate the lads that are serving now and make sure they never forget that history.
Richards13
22-06-2007, 17:13
I am ex-RRW. It is clear very little thought or imagination has gone into that badge. A lost opportunity clearly. To be honest I was expecting something which incorporated both, including the retention of "Welch", and the burning grenade. I think Wales has lost out, not just the RWF. A bit of history could easily have been preserved.
Thanks to RSM 3rd Bn for the photos and details:
The Collar Dog
This is worn by WO2 and below in No 2 Dress and CSgt and below in No1 Dress. Officers and WO1's will wear a bronzed version which I have not got a picture of but its a bronze bomb with a silver wreath and dragon.
WO2 and above will wear an embroidered version in No1 Dress and Mess Dress.
http://rwf-forum.co.uk/gallery/files/3/CIMG2731.JPG
Thanks to RSM 3rd Bn for the photos and details:
The Buttons
This bronze one is for Offrs and WO1's. The remainder will wear a gold staybrite version.
http://rwf-forum.co.uk/gallery/files/3/CIMG2725.JPG
The origional idea behind the cap badge was almost a trade off of you keep the hackle we'll the badge, (a very simplified version of events). Obviously things have evolved and the cap badge is a very contentious issue. The collar dog looks like it could be developed into a cap badge to me.
jungle1810
24-06-2007, 13:41
Hingey,
Major Toby Kenyon is doing a great job trying to salvage recognition for our history on the new colours. My main concern is of course PEKIN we are the only regiment in the British Army to have this Battle Honour. The other **** about antecedent regiments is utter nonsense. I strongly suspect that all true Royal Welchmen only wish to salute colours that bear the Battle Honours we won not what has been handed down through the ages however tenuous the thread
Regards Don
jungle1810
24-06-2007, 13:43
Scoue 75,
I sem to remember an old saying "He who laughs last laughs loudest."
Regards Don
jungle1810
24-06-2007, 13:50
Benny,
For a minute I thought you had forgotten I sat along side you in both the executive and branch meetings when we were unanimous in the wish to remain Royal Welch Fusiliers and wear all insignia and every thing associated with the Royal Welch Fusiliers. My wife had to forcibly restrain me from jumping on my motor bike and rushing to Cardiff to purchase A terrible badge and possibly a khaki beret and a lot of other stuff, and it is a Sunday I think I will pass the rest of today knocking back a litre or so of "White Lightning" and a suitable quantity of Coke.
Yours Fraternally
RBD
jungle1810
24-06-2007, 13:55
Dutchman,
Please remember when you duck below the parapet, I might have destroyed the fire step, and end you will end up on your back side. I may well be watching too many Richard Sharpe excerpts 'though.
Best wishes RBD
jungle1810
24-06-2007, 14:51
Hello Anthony McCarten,
My heartfelt thanks go out to you and your brave honourable band of men.I think you are doing a great service to all true Royal Welchmen, and you have acted like an honourable Royal Welchman more power to your elbow and all who support you. Many Congratulations.
RBD
jungle1810
24-06-2007, 15:09
Hello Anthony McCarten,
When I went to the Veterans Day in Cardiff, a mass of bandsmen swarmed past me and not one of them passed the time of day????? I have been to reunions in Jamaica in 1993 and Berlin and many other Royal Welch Fusiliers get together s. Berlin was a classic of how to run a good P*** up the RSM ( I think it was Nick Ravenhill)and Band met us and made us most welcome and spoke to as many comrades as possible. I cannot say that this band were made up solely of what I euphemistically refer to as the Welsh Regiment, it may well be it was a polyglot make up. But why can't they stop and pass the time of day with the comrades.What ever the % of the battalions made this band up I can only refer to their attitude as reprehensible to say the least.I suppose with hind sight an excuse will be made as to the timings they had to observe.To summarise as an over bearing head master or even a martinet of a band master I can only say quote "Must do better in the future"
I do not mean to offend you and your merry" band of men" in my observations.
Yors Fraternally
RBD aka "DON"
dutchman
24-06-2007, 16:42
richard i think the firestep has been pulled out from under all ex and serving r.w.f despite their gallant efforts it looks like the war is lost but that does under any circumstances take anything away from the r.w.f they were, still are and always will be one of the finest regiments ever to serve this country
UKSniper
24-06-2007, 23:10
The origional idea behind the cap badge was almost a trade off of you keep the hackle we'll the badge, (a very simplified version of events). Obviously things have evolved and the cap badge is a very contentious issue. The collar dog looks like it could be developed into a cap badge to me.
I think there would be a rebellion in the ranks if that happened Dave.
taffylooneytoon
25-06-2007, 12:50
Ref , collar dogs and Buttons, i like them its hard striking a balance , shame about the cap badge but its here now and the new boys who will wear it , will be just as proud as i was to wear RWF Cap badge. Val.
I must just say lads that i would rather be amalgamated with my fellow welshmen than to have been merged withThe Cheshires or the Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters as was originaly sort. If you remember a few years ago it was on the cards, however because of the uproar and lobbying by ex-Royal Welchmen and supporters we were reprieved. What would our capbadge and collor dogs look like then, hate to think?
Who designes these things in the first place, can anyone tell me?
Rog
UKSniper
25-06-2007, 18:40
Who designes these things in the first place, can anyone tell me?
Rog
As far as I know suggestions from the Regimental committee meetings go forward and are shortlisted. A design is then drawn by the Royal College of Art in London.
Picture then comes back for approval. It does the rounds of all the headshed involved and eventually gets signed off as acceptable. (Then they have to go through the procurement process, it all takes a long long time before its issued).
jungle1810
26-06-2007, 14:15
Hello All,
Like the regimental tailor I would also find it hard to sort out a 5 millimetre green patch to go behind a badge. to the best of my reckoning 5 Mil square is less than a quarter of an inch. I do have a sneaking feeling how ever that if it were 50 millimetre or 5 centimetres which equates roughly to 2 square inches in imperial measure it would be more suitable. At last it does seem Napolean did create some confusion to the English people when he created the metric system of measurement.
Regards to all my readers.
"Don"
Scouse75
26-06-2007, 22:53
UK Sniper,
If that was designed by the Royal College of Art, then I suggest that the college increase their tuition fees next term, and make them attend a 'stop being lazy and unoriginal course'. The lads on NAAFI break could have put more effort in!!
UKSniper
29-06-2007, 11:28
UK Sniper,
If that was designed by the Royal College of Art, then I suggest that the college increase their tuition fees next term, and make them attend a 'stop being lazy and unoriginal course'. The lads on NAAFI break could have put more effort in!!
Scouse people like me are bottom of the food chain in the selection and design of the cap badge.
The green patch is going to be around 50mm square. We won't know exactly until we see the new badge in hand.
UKSniper
29-06-2007, 11:30
Hello All,
Like the regimental tailor I would also find it hard to sort out a 5 millimetre green patch to go behind a badge. to the best of my reckoning 5 Mil square is less than a quarter of an inch. I do have a sneaking feeling how ever that if it were 50 millimetre or 5 centimetres which equates roughly to 2 square inches in imperial measure it would be more suitable. At last it does seem Napolean did create some confusion to the English people when he created the metric system of measurement.
Regards to all my readers.
"Don"
The plan is that it will be 50mm square Don.
Shadwell
29-06-2007, 15:20
What's the history behind the green patch?
LLOYDY 24
29-06-2007, 21:10
I personally think its a crying shame,that the royal welch have amaljamated with the RRW,i like many others joined up as a royal welch man i'm deeply gutted,even my father was gutted and he has never served in the army.I think this goverment needs a good kick up the backside,how can they be cutting back on money if there is still two regular battalions running,does'nt make any sence what so ever,so why the amaljamation then?.thats what i always ask myself.I hate the new berret,what a **** coulour,but at least we've kept the one thing that distinguishes us as regiment,the FLASH AND HACKLE,anyway thats my opinion on the subject,i hope i have not offended any rrw members on the forum,all the best 24.:smile:
we didnt amalagmate....we mergerd
Paul Hinge
29-06-2007, 23:12
Just to go back to Don's experience of the Band in Cardiff. They are the descendents of the RRW TA band and proberbly would not (in this day and age) recognise a RWF tie etc. However, that should not deter them from showing some form of common courtesy such as passing the time of day with you. Shows how society has moved on Eh! Don?
As a former member of that Band of Brothers the Regt Band, I extend belated apology on behalf of the union of band members (from a bygone age) for their rudeness and insensitivity. Perhaps the RSM in Cardiff who regularly contributes to this site can pass-on this experience of an unacceptable situation for the Bandmaster/ Director of Music to rectify for the future.
Hingey
Matt Lewis
02-07-2007, 16:20
Just to go back to Don's experience of the Band in Cardiff. They are the descendents of the RRW TA band and proberbly would not (in this day and age) recognise a RWF tie etc. However, that should not deter them from showing some form of common courtesy such as passing the time of day with you. Shows how society has moved on Eh! Don?
As a former member of that Band of Brothers the Regt Band, I extend belated apology on behalf of the union of band members (from a bygone age) for their rudeness and insensitivity. Perhaps the RSM in Cardiff who regularly contributes to this site can pass-on this experience of an unacceptable situation for the Bandmaster/ Director of Music to rectify for the future.
Admit to being slightly bemused by this post - I too was at the Cardiff Veteran's Day parade and saw nothing resembling rudeness or insensitivity - just a busy band of musicians cutting around having moved from venue to venue. In my capacity as President of the Band I'll pass on your concerns, but confess I saw very little of them myself that day given that they had two other engagements, and needed to rehearse prior to each appearance. General consensus was though, that they outshone the RM Band when it came to performing, as I'm sure they will again up in Caernarfon.
With regards not knowing an RWF tie - given that the Band support the RWF Comrades extensively (and will be again this year during the first weekend in September) I am unsure as to whether you're just trying to be provocative or merely speculating?
Anyway - If there was any perceived 'cold-shouldering' - apologies, that was not the intent.
Matt Lewis
03-07-2007, 11:21
What's the history behind the green patch?
The green patch was retained from the South Wales Borderers on formation of the RRW in 1969. Not unlike the flash, it was kept despite the Cardwell Reforms of 1881 when the 24th Foot officially became the SWB. When the wearing of berets became standardised across the Army, the patch behind the capbadge (a dragon passant) was introduced because the distinction of 'green facings' was lost on modern uniforms.
With the (necessary) loss of the dragon passant in the new Regimental Crest (that used to constitute the buckle of the old RRW stable-belt), the green patch is now the only legacy of the South Wales Borderers on everyday working dress.
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