Soldier in Uniform

[Taff Wrexham]

Hi Guys,

I wonder if anyone is able to tell from this picture which war, which unit or anything really.
My cousin thinks this is my Uncle who was in the RWF in WW2 but to my eye this looks for all the world a WW1 uniform.

As always I'm grateful for any help.

Taff

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[ivor43]

hi.
whist i do not know about the uniform.as this appears to be a Colour Picture, as opposed to a re-touched one. i would suspect that WW1 would be a bit early. but it may well be pre WW2. difficult to make a call on this.


ivor.

[dcdl12976]

Yeah looks like between the wars to me but just a thought could it be a service tunic from WW2 as opposed to the blouse. ?

[dcdl12976]

Having looked at a couple of pictures of WW1 1902 pattern service tunics i would say that is what it is of course the pads under the shoulders are what gives it away for me, that doesnt mean to say it is WW1 as they continued into service for some time between the wars.

FROM WIKIPEDIA

The Service Dress uniform continued to be the field uniform of the British Army until shortly before the Second World War, although many units continued to wear it after the start of hostilities, and many Home Guard personnel continued to wear it throughout the War. Service Dress was officially replaced as the standard combat uniform of the British and Canadian Armies, however, in 1939, with the introduction of Battle Dress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Dress).

[Taff Wrexham]

I'll check whether he joined up between the wars as opposed to just for WW2. Thanks so far.

[Aled Roberts]

Taff

What was his name?

[Taff Wrexham]

If it is my uncle, his name was John R Allmand.

[Baconwallah]

It's not a colour photo but a hand coloured black and white. I'd put it in the late thirties.

John

[ivor43]

Hi.
Thanks John.
I thought it pre WW2 but the quality is very good, hence my '' Colour Picture'' the only place i could see evidence of hand colouring seemed to be on the cheeks. a very professional job.


ivor

[Aled Roberts]

Having a dig around the numbers near John Robert Allmand's Territorial number (4190074) I found a 4190034 Fus W Jarman who was awarded his EM(T) in 1942. This medal requiring 12 years service, with war service counting double it would put enlistment around late 1933, early 1934.

So if it is John it will be post this date, which would concur with JK's mid\late 1930's.

[Taff Wrexham]

Having a dig around the numbers near John Robert Allmand's Territorial number (4190074) I found a 4190034 Fus W Jarman who was awarded his EM(T) in 1942. This medal requiring 12 years service, with war service counting double it would put enlistment around late 1933, early 1934.

So if it is John it will be post this date, which would concur with JK's mid\late 1930's.

Richard - how did you locate his number?

Taff

[Aled Roberts]

From John Tyler's transcription of the enlistment books held at the archives.

[Taff Wrexham]

From John Tyler's transcription of the enlistment books held at the archives.
Is this available to view online?

[Aled Roberts]

No.

But the enlistment books are in the Regimental archive.

[Jerry B]

Just to add a bit if I may, the use of collar badges on OR's Service dress tunics was almost never seen during WWI, so I'd agree with the majority opinion that it is likely to be interwars, he is probably wearing what is known as the 1922 pattern tunic and the 1902 cap, the cap except for guards units was hardly seen after 1939 and though the tunic did continue into WWII and after, again you rarely see them worn during WWII.

Jerry B