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I am trying to gather as much knowledge as possible regarding my grandfather who served with the RWF in world war 1, anything new that I can find out would be great.
I appreciate this wont be easy due to the common surname- below is all the info I know regarding my grandfather
Name - William Henry Jones
Dob - 29th May 1891
Died - 25th August 1937
Place of Birth - Dinas, Rhondda
I believe he was living in camarthen when he enlisted in Jan 6th 1915
He was married when he joined
This is all the info I have, I hope its enough to lead me to something new with your help
Thanks in advance for your time and assistance
Rob
Baconwallah
10-09-2012, 19:51
You beat me to it, Rob. I had just moved your other post from the Introductory section when this thread appeared.
As you say, the name is not uncommon. Member Gwilwil may be able to link the birth date etc to an army number, which will help.
My own database of the 1st Bn RWF has one possible candidate:
Jones, William Henry, 17004 Pte
Landed 12/05/1915. Demob 04/03/1919.
The landing date would fit the enlistment date. If (and only if) this was your grandfather, he served with the 1st Bn throughout the war without being wounded.
But the Medal Index Cards list five men named William Henry Jones and 64 named William H....
John
You beat me to it, Rob. I had just moved your other post from the Introductory section when this thread appeared.
As you say, the name is not uncommon. Member Gwilwil may be able to link the birth date etc to an army number, which will help.
My own database of the 1st Bn RWF has one possible candidate:
Jones, William Henry, 17004 Pte
Landed 12/05/1915. Demob 04/03/1919.
The landing date would fit the enlistment date. If (and only if) this was your grandfather, he served with the 1st Bn throughout the war without being wounded.
John
Thanks for the quick reply, id love to think that is him
You beat me to it, Rob. I had just moved your other post from the Introductory section when this thread appeared.
As you say, the name is not uncommon. Member Gwilwil may be able to link the birth date etc to an army number, which will help.
My own database of the 1st Bn RWF has one possible candidate:
Jones, William Henry, 17004 Pte
Landed 12/05/1915. Demob 04/03/1919.
The landing date would fit the enlistment date. If (and only if) this was your grandfather, he served with the 1st Bn throughout the war without being wounded.
But the Medal Index Cards list five men named William Henry Jones and 64 named William H....
John
cheers john ,
obvious question but how do i contact gwilwil to see if he can help?
Baconwallah
10-09-2012, 20:09
Not to worry, Rob. Gwilwil is a frequent contributor to the Forum Research section and will post an answer if he can find anything useful in his own files.
John
Not to worry, Rob. Gwilwil is a frequent contributor to the Forum Research section and will post an answer if he can find anything useful in his own files.
John
ok thats great, thanks for your help john,
Re 17004 William Henry Jones. In 1918 he lived at 2 Edwardsville, Treharris. Another few possibles from 'down there' (everywhere south of Dolgellau is 'the South' :-) ) are 14759 William Henry Jones, 19 Edward St,Mardy: 15033 William Henry Jones, 27 Pergwm Street, Trealaw: 20196 William H Jones, 1 Maldwyn Terrace, Cwm Parc: 93669 William H Jones, Gelli, Pentre. I haven't seen any from Camarthen(shire)
As John points out there are at least 69 possibilties and it may be possible to narrow it down (those killed etc) but with this many I don't think it's a route worth going down at the moment as inevitably there will be too may possibles left at the end. Eliminating by reason of date enlisted is fraught with danger as he may have enlisted in another unit and transferred in.
Possibly the best route then is to examine what is known/can be found out. I appreciate you have stated that you have provided all the info you have but just to cover the points.
You are pretty certain that he was RWF and of the enlistment date. What is that info based on.
Any known addresses in 1918/19 and have you pinned him down in the 1911 or 1901 Census?
Have you got or got access to his medals? The number and Regiment will be on the rim.
Was he known to have served after 1920?
Any children born during his time in service. Their birth certificate may provide his number or at least his Regiment/unit.
Hywyn
Re 17004 William Henry Jones. In 1918 he lived at 2 Edwardsville, Treharris. Another few possibles from 'down there' (everywhere south of Dolgellau is 'the South' :-) ) are 14759 William Henry Jones, 19 Edward St,Mardy: 15033 William Henry Jones, 27 Pergwm Street, Trealaw: 20196 William H Jones, 1 Maldwyn Terrace, Cwm Parc: 93669 William H Jones, Gelli, Pentre. I haven't seen any from Camarthen(shire)
As John points out there are at least 69 possibilties and it may be possible to narrow it down (those killed etc) but with this many I don't think it's a route worth going down at the moment as inevitably there will be too may possibles left at the end. Eliminating by reason of date enlisted is fraught with danger as he may have enlisted in another unit and transferred in.
Possibly the best route then is to examine what is known/can be found out. I appreciate you have stated that you have provided all the info you have but just to cover the points.
You are pretty certain that he was RWF and of the enlistment date. What is that info based on.
Any known addresses in 1918/19 and have you pinned him down in the 1911 or 1901 Census?
Have you got or got access to his medals? The number and Regiment will be on the rim.
Was he known to have served after 1920?
Any children born during his time in service. Their birth certificate may provide his number or at least his Regiment/unit.
Hywyn
Appreciate all the info, the enlisted date was taken from a family bible, ill take a look at the census you mentioned and take it from there , really appreciate all the help and ill try and match what i find with the info youve provided
cheers
Rob
OK Rob. Let us know if you find any addresses.
Re my point about eliminating by date of enlisment. It depends on your assessment of the entry and how it's worded. Was the entry contemporaneous do you think or made years later and did it actually say enlisted in Royal Welsh Fusiliers or is there another entry that says he served in RWF.
We can eliminate quite a lot if this was RWF enlistment at that date but if he went initially to the Welch Regiment or the South Wales Borderers etc then it will be a bit harder. Anything there that says he served overseas?
OK Rob. Let us know if you find any addresses.
Re my point about eliminating by date of enlisment. It depends on your assessment of the entry and how it's worded. Was the entry contemporaneous do you think or made years later and did it actually say enlisted in Royal Welsh Fusiliers or is there another entry that says he served in RWF.
We can eliminate quite a lot if this was RWF enlistment at that date but if he went initially to the Welch Regiment or the South Wales Borderers etc then it will be a bit harder. Anything there that says he served overseas?
Youve given me something to work on now, my next step is to try and find his address in the 1911 census and hopefully it will match one of the addresses you mentioned earlier , or maybe try electoral registers ( not sure how far back they go)
again thanks
Rob
The only additional info ive found so far is that he joined the 16th RWF , does this narrow the search down by much?
Youve given me something to work on now, my next step is to try and find his address in the 1911 census and hopefully it will match one of the addresses you mentioned earlier , or maybe try electoral registers ( not sure how far back they go)
again thanks
Rob
Baconwallah
05-10-2012, 10:48
The 16th Bn had numbers in the 18000 to 19999 range.
Likely candidate:
William H Jones, Pte 18933
Enlisted 15/12/1914
Landed 25/05/1915
Discharged medically unfit (sickness) 01/10/1917
Hope this helps.
John
Thanks for the quick reply, but I have him down as enlisted 6th Jan 1915 ??????
The 16th Bn had numbers in the 18000 to 19999 range.
Likely candidate:
William H Jones, Pte 18933
Enlisted 15/12/1914
Landed 25/05/1915
Discharged medically unfit (sickness) 01/10/1917
Hope this helps.
John
Baconwallah
05-10-2012, 17:04
Jones 18933's enlistment date is from his entry in the Silver War Badge records.
I cannot find any other candidates in the 16th RWF number range.
John
ok many thanks for your help anyway
Rob
Jones 18933's enlistment date is from his entry in the Silver War Badge records.
I cannot find any other candidates in the 16th RWF number range.
John
Baconwallah
06-10-2012, 12:46
If we accept the William Jones may have enlisted without divulging his middle name, I can suggest some more possible candidates in the 16th Bn number series:
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 18539 Serjeant
Royal Flying Corps 146508 Serjeant
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 18634 Private
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 18805 Private
Labour Corps 160368 Private
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 19921 Private
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 19067 Private
No surviving service or pension records, I'm afraid.
John
thanks again for your time john, ill try and delve a bit deeper and hope to come up with something more definite
If we accept the William Jones may have enlisted without divulging his middle name, I can suggest some more possible candidates in the 16th Bn number series:
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 18539 Serjeant
Royal Flying Corps 146508 Serjeant
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 18634 Private
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 18805 Private
Labour Corps 160368 Private
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 19921 Private
Jones William
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 19067 Private
No surviving service or pension records, I'm afraid.
John
Been a while since ive logged on and am hoping i have a bit of a breakthrough in tracing my grandfathers military record
If anyone can prove/disprove some info i have come across
which is regiment number 17004 joined in jan 1915
I am hoping from this bit of info wether anyone can add anything more to it because you have access to info that i dont
Baconwallah
10-11-2014, 18:22
See my post #2 in this thread, Rob.
John
yes thanks john i should have checked back on the info i had on here cheers
back to square one
morning folks.
Please ignore my last post.
As he was born in the Rhonda, the BMD registration District is actually Pontyprydd. The second problem is that the Birth does not appear in the Register until the Sept Qtr.The rules allow for a period of 42 Days for the Birth to be Registered as he was born late May the 42 day period extends into July. His Marriage, although i can not at the moment pinpoint it,was Registered under William H Jones also in Pontyprydd. Death, also as William H also Pontyprydd, 1937 as stated. i can find no references to Caermarthen .
I am sorry for this error it wont happen again(hopefully)
ivor
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