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jcj
30-04-2012, 16:52
I aplogise in advance for the length of this, however I received this today and believe it will be of interest to all veterans.

Colin


A QUEEN’S DIAMOND JUBILEE MEDAL FOR QUALIFYING VETERANS

It is proposed that in the interests of fair reward, genuine and demonstrably tangible respect for the value and dedication of former servicemen, equality and national celebration, the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal be awarded to veterans with the same qualifying service as current intended recipients, i.e.5 full calendar years on 6th February 2012.

This proposal provides a simple and effective way of doing this, ensuring proper eligibility and at no cost to the Government in terms of money or manpower. It only requires a single pronouncement authorising the wearing of the medal.

Context

There has been a major Government claim to support military veterans which is welcomed and respected, especially since it is recognised that this national period of deficit reduction makes some measures very difficult to implement. This proposal, however, would effectively cost nothing in budgetary or manpower terms. It covers a very sensitive matter for veterans, who feel seriously under-recognised.

The military for the last two decades have been showered with medals in recognition of their service, quite properly, including for many two jubilee medals (Golden and Diamond) within 10 years of each other. Recent operations, such as Iraq and Afghanistan, have not only earned separate medals, but considerable public respect and support for their recipients. Prior to that, the award of medals was severely restricted and troops were poorly supported. As an example a Service person in Borneo (a remote jungle operation akin to the ‘Forgotten’ 14th Army in Burma, but serious enough for a VC to be awarded) who then went on to serve in Northern Ireland (a vicious, embarrassing conflict on UK soil), 10 years and 10,000 miles apart, received just one campaign medal to cover both of the two totally different operations. As for Royal Commemorative Medals, the 1953 Coronation and 1977 Silver Jubilee medals were only awarded to two or three personnel in each Service unit of some 600 people! The Minister for Veterans has advised that these cannot be retrospectively awarded and we grudgingly recognise and accept that.

Therefore the context is that veterans already feel severely undervalued and unfairly treated, but have had their hopes raised by this Government’s pronouncements and actions to repair the covenant and give much more visibility to public support for the Armed Forces and Veterans. To disappoint them now, by failing to fulfil such claims, would create widespread cynicism and bitterness which would be in stark contrast, for example, to the euphoria ‘abroad’ since Her Majesty approved the wearing of the Pingat Jasa Malaysia medal in November of 2010.

Qualification

In the 28th June 2011 Directgov announcement, the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, Jeremy Hunt, said:
The Queen has dedicated her life to the service of this country……It is right that we reward those people who, like the Queen, also dedicate their lives to the public good and who represent the very best of British spirit.

He emphasises that this covers the last period of sixty years. It also requires recipients of the medal to have completed a minimum of five full calendar years of such service on 6th February 2012. It is the view of military veterans who have exceeded that minimum period that it would be totally discriminatory (including in some cases on age and disability grounds) for their service during Her Majesty’s reign to be dismissed as somehow less important, or less loyal, than the current military. By what perverse rationale could their dedication be seen as inferior to those still fortunate enough to be serving Her Majesty in uniform? Including military veterans in the award will sweep up, amongst others, those who might otherwise be cruelly denied because:

- they are too old still to be serving

- having been involved in recent operations they have been medically discharged as a result of often terrible injuries sustained in service (and are now a ‘categorised’ Veteran), but who’s fit contemporaries are still fortunate enough to be serving and will get a medal; others have lived with such disabilities sustained in Her Majesty’s service for decades and now feel abandoned.

- they have been made redundant (and are now a ‘categorised’ Veteran) when otherwise they would have expected to be serving on 6th February 2012.

Non-Retrospective

This proposal is not trying to re-write history. It is not a bid to have retrospective awards made of the Coronation Medal, Silver Jubilee Medal or even the Golden Jubilee Medal. It is the here and now. It is about the right to wear a new medal, this year, appropriately. It will, as an aside, have the added benefit of redressing earlier inequities, but that is all. It is rewarding the loyalty of Service veterans who have served during, and many almost as long as, Her Majesty’s own 60 year period of service.

Nor need this be seen as setting a precedent. This is about the last sixty years and probably the last chance to make an award to those who served in that era, setting the record straight and wiping the medal slate clean! Any future Coronation Medal for a new sovereign would be for a new generation.

Eligibility and Cost

There are three considerations which might be used to suggest the award of the medal to Service veterans would be impractical: the cost of the medal itself; establishing eligibility; and the cost in personnel and staff in providing and distributing the medals. However there should be no difficulty in overcoming such constraints, which would appear to be the only possible objections to an otherwise compelling case. It is not envisaged that any Service personnel or civil servants would need to be employed on this if the recent precedent of the award by the Malaysian Government of the Pingat Jasa Malaysia medal to UK recipients is followed.

Contact with eligible veterans will be the main requirement and can be provided through the many Service Associations; Regimental, Squadron, Ship, as well as ABF-The Soldiers’ Charity, Naval and Air Force Associations and organisations . These organisations are robust, well organised, dependable and honest and maintain extensive data bases. They are scrupulous about membership and only bona fide veterans are accepted as members. They are, of course, voluntary, but those I have consulted would be more than happy to be the conduit both for establishing eligibility from claimants and distributing the medals; they would act like a unit orderly room in this respect. If there is any doubt about a claimant they can request referees of them, members with whom they served, to attest to their credentials. The Service Associations could also submit consolidated medal rolls if required. There would be a benefit to them as it will undoubtedly swell recruitment (and thus their income).

Neither is cost a factor. It would be fully understood by all that conducting this exercise outside the MOD and Services infrastructure would create administrative expenses. Recipients would be expected to cover those costs with a modest charge; such charges could also defray the cost of the production of the medals. Where there are veterans who are genuinely unable to afford the administrative charge, the Service Associations themselves are well placed to provide a subsidy, not least if their own finances are boosted by increased membership of those wishing to apply for the medal.

There will be a need to develop and promulgate the detailed rules and procedure and to coordinate with the Service Associations. As a ‘veteran’ of three appointments in MOD Main Building I would happily undertake this as my voluntary contribution to celebrating the Diamond Jubilee and providing a morale boost to veterans. I would invite assistance from a rear admiral and an air vice marshal with whom I have worked previously in a voluntary role to which we were each appointed by The Queen. There are also a vast number of capable Veterans who would, I know, be only too ready to give the volume of support we considered necessary in order to ensure a viable organisation capable of undertaking what purports to be a National role, perhaps subordinated to the Veterans Agency?

Intention

The intention of this Proposal is:

- To recognise just how important this is to a large section of society, and not just Veterans, but public and media too, who are at a complete loss to understand why it has not yet happened when it would cost nothing; there is deep frustration.

- To acknowledge that this would be a simple, entirely cost free, win-win measure that would engender a huge amount of pleasure, justice and a sense of being valued widely through the community; this at a time when many are facing considerable hardship as a result the deficit reduction and escalating prices. Causing no harm, only goodwill, why shouldn’t veterans be granted entitlement to wear a proper medal (not a lapel trinket) with pride that reflects their loyal service to The Queen during Her Majesty’s reign? You see them outside supermarkets wearing their medals on cold November mornings selling poppies, but not one with a Royal Commemorative Medal. Their loyalty to The Queen if ever tested would never be found wanting.

- To suggest that the 28 June 2011 announcement of eligibility of “members of the Armed Forces (regular and reserves) who have completed five full calendar years of service on 6 February 2012” be extended to include “former members of the Armed Forces (regular and reserves) who completed five full calendar years of service between 6 February 1952 and 6 February 2012 and are permitted to wear the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal, procured through Veteran organisation arrangements”


The announcement of this as a further tranche of the award will be seen as a widely applauded Government initiative, at the same time pre-empting public and media supported campaigns by ex-Servicemen and organisations.






Major General A L Meier CB OBE

23rd April 2012



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Rog Ball 01
30-04-2012, 17:01
Can anyone say what this means in plain simple terms?

rikoshea
30-04-2012, 17:05
thanks for the post I really would like to find out more, and if we will be entitled to this medal. does anyone know if its been approved

Baconwallah
30-04-2012, 17:27
Can anyone say what this means in plain simple terms?

In one sentence, Rog:

If you served for at least five of the past sixty years, you can have this medal if you pay for it.

John

Dennis Goldsworthy farmer
30-04-2012, 17:53
Tried to find out how much ....does anyone know how much the medals are ...and how do we go about getting them...we in Pembrokeshire would like to know please.....
Dennis

ap1
30-04-2012, 18:32
Its a proposal, nothing more at this stage. Although its dated the 23 April this year, the General's cutting it a bit fine!!! Puts forward a good argument though.

Braz
30-04-2012, 18:32
Queens Jubilee Medal - Full Size - £39.50p. Reverse Engraving £12.50p. Nickel Finish Medal Clasp £8.50p each. Miniature Medal £13.50p Hope tis helps you . Oh these can be ;purchased from Award productionsLtd PO BOX 30 0Shrewsbury SY5 6WP,. Hope this helps you. Braz

Baconwallah
30-04-2012, 18:32
For now it's just a proposal. It will probably take some time for the Govt to work out whether they will agree to it or not, and if they do, how to organise it. So don't hold your breath in Pembrokeshire (or anywhere else).

John

Dai72
01-05-2012, 13:14
Queens Jubilee Medal - Full Size - £39.50p. Reverse Engraving £12.50p. Nickel Finish Medal Clasp £8.50p each. Miniature Medal £13.50p Hope tis helps you . Oh these can be ;purchased from Award productionsLtd PO BOX 30 0Shrewsbury SY5 6WP,. Hope this helps you. Braz

Lot cheaper on Ebay!!!

Dave322
01-05-2012, 14:22
Original Announcement June 2011
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_198040

jungle1810
01-05-2012, 14:35
Hello JCJ and Braz,
Many thanks for both the definitive document and the prices and outlet who sell this product. But as Baconwallah states do not hold your breath. But many thanks to JCJ and Braz for the information. Much appreciated
RBD Bridgend

Dave322
02-05-2012, 15:48
Queens Jubilee Medal - Full Size - £39.50p. Reverse Engraving £12.50p. Nickel Finish Medal Clasp £8.50p each. Miniature Medal £13.50p Hope tis helps you . Oh these can be ;purchased from Award productionsLtd PO BOX 30 0Shrewsbury SY5 6WP,. Hope this helps you. Braz

The ones that are advertised are not the official medal.

jcj
02-05-2012, 20:38
Unless the medal is authorised to be worn by veterans what is the point of purchasing one, unless you are a Walt.

rob jones 60
24-06-2012, 13:18
their is a company that does the medal full size with your name rank number rgt round the rim £ 21.50 p and p messdress.com great service this is a copy of the original

rikoshea
25-06-2012, 00:29
Does anyone have any answers whether or not we as vets are going to receive this medal. whether we pay for it ourselves or not. I would like to think that as we served in the armed forces during Her Majesties 60 years.

benney
25-06-2012, 11:51
as far as im aware vets are not going to get the medal, unless thay do a u turn mate,sorry about that mate

Dai 55
25-06-2012, 12:45
got to pay yourself mate so as far as i am concerned they can keep it

rikoshea
25-06-2012, 18:03
what do you mean Dai, so if we pay for it ourselves we can wear it......not going to give my response to that.

Dai 55
25-06-2012, 20:05
It means Rick why should we have to pay for it when we served in the Queens jubilee (SHOULD BE ISSUED WE DONE OUR DUTY)and respond all you want its an open forum dont bother me.

davidhuntley
25-06-2012, 23:01
I think the lads are keeping a close eye on this one. I remember the silver jubilee and only 2 from each company were awarded the silver jubilee medal, it appears at this time if you are serving and have done 5 yrs or more you get the diamond medal, i think i remember someone on the tele stating 450,000 were being presented. i feel we have been bypassed on this one, i have no probs with any of the lads buying one, if thats what they feel they have to do, yes, most of us served a long time and it would have been nice, but we have our memories and that does not need issuing to us.

johnnye63
26-06-2012, 08:57
I take your point that we should not have to pay for it after serving 25 years boy and man, but if we do are we allowed to wear it with the rest of our medals or is it deemed a "private medal"?

rikoshea
26-06-2012, 10:20
Dai my responce was not going to be directed at you mate, it was going to be a direct responce to us not being issued and buying them if we wanted them. is anyone in contact with Major General AL Meier C. to assertain the latest...if not have they got contact details so I can.

Dai 55
26-06-2012, 10:33
I know that rick mate it is just why dont they present everyone who was in the queens jubilee rather than all this fuss,i just feel why should i buy one,does this mean Prince Andrew is not entitled to one ? wait and see mate

Gwyn Nicholas
26-06-2012, 11:09
Personally, and it is only my view, if I am deemed worthy of a medal I will be issued (albeit will have to apply). Failing that, I have my little Veterans Badge that I wear with pride and I have the memories of the brilliant years I spent with fantastic, irreplaceable comrades.

benney
26-06-2012, 14:39
Rike i did not say u pay for it yourself, what i said is as far as the medal goes vets are not gonna get it their for thay are not entiteld to wear it, if thay were then thay would be issued it,what people think about it is up to them there is nothing u or i can do about it.

benney
26-06-2012, 14:44
To true nick never a true word has been said irreplaceable comrades

TRAV 24
26-06-2012, 16:23
For those who might be interested on Ebay i found a small Medal (no ribbon) Pin Badge type, reverse/dated side of the medal showing, £4.50 free p&p just typed in Jubilee Medal Pin Badge

peterlansley
27-06-2012, 19:14
Just seen in local press that Cadet instructors with five years service regardless of any military service will receive the Jubilee medal. However the Government sees fit to promote unity by declaring a public holiday for that day while pleading the cost of medals to be deemed to be to expensive to be issued to ex personnel. Then to give out an address of firms that will sell you a replica that cannot legally be worn with service medals stinks.

Dai72
27-06-2012, 23:10
Prince Andrew is entitled as a Royal. But why should there be a 5 year period when the lads sre serving away from home.

Gents i apologise I am still serving and have received the medal.


No number or name engraved on the medal.

Dai 72

benney
28-06-2012, 09:50
Why apologise dai u got it issued u are entiteld to wear it so wear it with pride, good on ya mate

CARL PUGH
30-06-2012, 23:05
I to would have liked to have been issued with the medal as i was led to believe that i was, serving the last 9 plus years with the Mid and West Wales Fire and Rescue Service as a Advanced Driving Instructor of their Operational Staff. However i was told as I was only support staff but sorry you are not entitled, and you have enough medals anyway. Just to fell a little bitter about this as there are part time Fire Persons with more than 5 years service who have never been out of there towns let alone Wales and they have all been issued. But that is life. I only wanted one more for the chest to wear with pride when carrying my Parade Marshal duties on Rememberance Sunday.

Dai 55
01-07-2012, 07:56
You can still order one and wear it,name rank number on delivered in 5 days

gerald.huntley1
07-07-2012, 14:03
Hi,
can you give me more details on were to order one , cheers gerald huntley

benney
07-07-2012, 16:26
Never mind pugs u can have mine

jcj
07-07-2012, 19:02
It is my understanding that unless you were serving on 6th Feb 2012 you are not eligible.So if you wear something you are not entitled to it is nothing more than BLING ?

Eligibility for The Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal

The following people will be eligible for The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal:
•members of the Armed Forces (regular and reserves) who have completed five full calendar years of service on 6 February 2012

•emergency services personnel who have been in paid service, retained or in a voluntary capacity, who have to face the prospect of dealing with emergencies as part of their conditions of service, and have completed five full calendar years of service on 6 February 2012

•operational prison services personnel who regularly face difficult and sometimes emergency situations and have completed five full calendar years of service on 6 February 2012

•all Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) who are in service on 6 February 2012 and have completed five full calendar years of service

•living holders of the Victoria Cross and George Cross

•members of the Royal Household

Dai
09-07-2012, 13:32
So why start this topic off and then conclude with your last statement jcj??Its just made some vets buy the medal,and has given others false hopes....

jcj
09-07-2012, 16:14
So why start this topic off and then conclude with your last statement jcj??Its just made some vets buy the medal,and has given others false hopes....



Dai
If you read the original post in full which was a letter sent by Major General Meier it clearly states in the letter at least four times that it is a proposal (not authorisation) I posted the article in good faith believing it would be of interest to members of the site. ) If someone wants to go ahead and buy the QDJM without waiting for clarification you can hardly blame me.

Colin John

Dai
09-07-2012, 16:59
Point taken..Just voicing remarks which were aired at the Armed Forces Day....