World Cup

[Gwyn Nicholas]

They think its all over..........................................it is now!

[Lofty-25]

It is indeed, yet another shocking display

[Rog Ball 01]

Without doubt a very poor performance from England. How many of those players and management will be involved in future fixtures. I can name quite a few that won't.

Bring on 2012 in New Zealand..

[led9750]

This is great , i laughed so much i nearly bought a round .

bye bye you english love childs

maybe the BBC can go back to being british and not english .
but jokes aside , they were bad .

[Rog Ball 01]

Got my dates wrong, yet again, should be 2011

[Mike Salway]

Who cares !!!

[John Turner]

England - hmmmph - there's more to being a team than all wearing the same strip!

Next up - The Tour De France - First Brit team for years, Team Sky.

Bradley Wiggins has a serious chance of the yellow jersey and Mark Cavendish is favourite for the green jersey - he's from the Isle of man, but he'll do.

[Dai 55]

how sad,
England are out/looks like a lot of yoyu were waiting for the result so you could slag them off.
W-----s Led I AM LOOKING FORWARD

[John Turner]

I think it's fair to say the team were being 'slagged off' - Nationwide, before this result, which, going by both teams' previous performances, was pretty much anticipated.

[led9750]

how sad,
England are out/looks like a lot of yoyu were waiting for the result so you could slag them off.
W-----s Led I AM LOOKING FORWARD

England looked great , then they walked out the tunnel LOL
got to admit i was cheering when England got stuffed , but then i thought of my grandad , he must be turning in his grave , { he hated germans } so i decided to support no teams in this game .
lookin forward to Wales playing england at football now , i think Wales can beat them .
but i will stick to watching rugby , its just a better sport all round .

cheers 55s

Led

[tom54]

What can you say about that??? Dont think ive smiled this much in years......delighted!!!

[davidhuntley]

Overpaid . Overrated . Underachievers . A disgrace to the premiership.

[Heap90]

:-)

[nasher546]

A reporter asked Capello if England would go 4-4-2 again. He replied "No, I think we will go 7-4-7. It is a bigger plane and offers more leg room".

[Thom15]

Now that's funny Nasher. LOL

[Bennett 25]

Whos next in line for England manager then ? Big Harry Rednap ?

[Heap90]

Mike Bassett - England Manager!

[ivor43]

now come on folks, they did'nt do too bad for a bunch of old men :). just shows tho that age,experience? and media hype means nothing when faced with youth,determination and National Pride.
i would not blame the manager. you can only do so much with a bunch of has beens.

[pete d]

the england squad flew home to a heroes welcome in the early hours of this morning there flight was diverted to glasgow

[Raven]

As requested by Vori101! :-)

Two planes landed in ENGLAND today, one carrying 23 overpaid, under achieving,footballers with ego's to match their wallets...and the other seven men who's coffins were draped in the union jack, who died for this country.These are the real hero's we should be supporting, these men and women who give their lives so we...... can live in a free world. THESE ARE THE PRIDE OF BRITAIN.....R.I.P.

[Barry69]

David Blane is tamping his record of doing nothing in a box for 42 days has been beaten by Wayne Rooney!

[jase hill]

WELL DONE ENGLAND. last 16 is success in many ways. Wales can keep trying to qualify for a major football event. seriously we need to get over this england hatred.

[John Turner]

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[John Turner]

we need to get over this england hatred.

I think it's more frustration and disappointment than hatred - many here would no doubt be proud to be British if England did well, but if they don't - we're Welsh and nothing to do with 'em!

There's so many factors that could have contributed to their performance. Altitude, that awful racket from those stupid horns, an unusual general atmosphere, the amount of high profile foreign players in English premiership teams that end up playing against the country that has nurtured and honed their skills - more.

I watched the Spain/Portugal match last night (well, some of the first half and all of the second) and I didn't realise Ronaldo was playing for quite some time - but when playing for Man U he was everywhere - so not just England having probs pinning hopes on the likes of Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard.

For the last 20 mins of the first half of the Germany game I thought England came together - some spark at last, but the second goal, which was not only definitely a goal but a damn good goal, was pathetically not allowed. The German Goalkeeper knew it was over the line - if it was about sport he would have fessed up to the ref - he really should have protested as much as if he'd stopped a ball just outside the line and the ref/linesman had given a goal, but no way, because he knew his opposite number would not have done the same; no goalkeeper would, just like no player seeing an opponent sent off or booked unfairly would compalin -which is fair enough - play the whistle, but not just when it suits.

Had England come back out for the second half at two-all it may have been a whole lot different - that spark may have carried through, who knows.

Football at club level - above a certain level, has become more about business than sport - or at least equal - Man U is a PLC - players have their own companies - blah blah.

I remember (when I were a lad) when it was a whole lot different - I supported Leeds Utd in the early 70's (Well, I say 'support' - never actually attended a match - 'followed' would be a better word! If I 'supported' anyone it would have been Wrexham - saw them play at the racecourse plenty of times)

Don Revie had a Yorkshire accent and Leeds had a full team of British/Irish Internationals Norman 'bite yer legs' Hunter, Paul 'put me in any position, even in goal' Madeley, Johnny 'pass the ball on a sixpence' Giles Peter 'highest speed shot in the game' Lorimer, Terry 'I'm a defender but I worry the other teams's goalkeeper' Cooper (click for some nostalgia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Cooper) Alan 'sniffer' Clark (Click for some more) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Clarke_(footballer)) etc etc etc.

Where's all the nicknames these days?

Plus - we now play 'Germany' - we used to play W. Germany and E. Germany (DDR) - now East and West are united they have far more scope, but we still choose to divide our nation in to three separate countries and waive the option of having a British or a United Kingdom team.

Fine - suffer!

[Dai 55]

Jase,
I agree what your saying,some people commenting on this subject most probably have never seen a live good football match,maybe seen Wales playing,but as i said a good live game,but i better not get dragged in to much as i will most probably get deleted again Lol,

Dai 55

[Gwyn Nicholas]

Fella went into a kinky Bordello in Hamburg and asked how much for total humiliation, the Madame replied 45 Euros or £37 pounds sterling. What do I get for that asked the bloke........an England shirt! replied the Madame.
(joke ..no hatred or disrespect intended and I got the joke from a staunch England supporter)

[Rog Ball 01]

England lost and I think it is now time for the jokes, imcriminations and alike to stop.

Lets see what the 'big wigs' in the FA have to say after their meetings with various players and managers, before anythibng else is said.

[Gwyn Nicholas]

Roger, bah humbug! I wanted England to go all the way but it didn't happen and as with most dissapointments, we have to get over it and what better way than the "squaddie way" a bit of craic between like minded old soldiers. There is too much serious bad news in the world to worry about a bit of humour and look at the views and responses this thread has produced, a few people have commented that the forum has been a little quiet lately well this at least has got some reponse rather than betting on V bookie or playing the arcades etc. Seriously, nobody is stirring up race hatred (even if there has been a little "chest beating bravado") it's a bit of fun.......remember what that was like before PC.

[John Turner]

I'm with Roger - enough of this frivolity already!






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[led9750]

yes lets lighnen up a bit , we all like to take the **** , and as i was told on my 1ST day , if you cant take a joke you shouldn't have joined the army ,
lets not confuse having an opinion with hatred , i think England under performed , if you want hatred read the English press , all thats on this site is taking the ****
the real world cup is next year and i know our English Friends will cheer us on LOL

[Gwyn Nicholas]

It will be interesting to see if any action is taken against JT when the FA meet to discuss the future of Copello. He did (allegedly) try to incite what ammounts to mutiny amongst the team. Mutiny as we know, was punishable by death in the services particularly at sea, it was that serious an offence. If the charge is correct, then JTs actions must be considered as a factor in the miserable final performance against the Germans and surely must face some sort of disciplinary action.

I think the French were a little over zealous sending Anelka home instead of dropping him to the sidelines but in the long term it hopefully it will have an effect on the "player power" situation that seems to be indemic in football today. OK the manager is not always right but, (as we did in the army) obey the orders at the time given and if there is a problem, readdress it later in private not to all and sundry. Perhaps it is possible, that the actions of JT and the scathing response of the public/media may very well serve to remind players in our premiership not to get ideas above their station and get on with the job they are paid/overpaid to do on the pitch. Once that goal is achieved (and the England team have some way to go) perhaps their views will be considered.

Should Capello go. My personal view is no. Ok perhaps some of his selections and positioning of players was suspect but surely he didn't tell his defence to all go up into the box and stay there, (given the German reputation at that point in the comp)....no that was down to player error and JT being the old hand and Ex-skipper knows it.

As for the players, well many of that team played their hearts out from the off and I think it is wrong to slap down guys who give of their best. It is unfortunate that many of them lost their form at a critical time but it happens. Look at other teams whose big names flatter to decieve at this World Cup and how many of them, play in our Premiership. Some believe that our premiership has left players tired, perhaps there is something in that.

[Dai 55]

Breaking news,
JT and Gerrad had a big blow out,over a issue that will be hitting the papers shortly,and if it is true what i am hearing, Gerrads football days could be over,apparantly half were supporting Gerrard and half JT,Rooney and Lampard almost came to fistycuffs,so yes there was huge unrest in the camp,there is a gagging order at the moment stopping the papers telling the story,but the judge only held it for 3 weeks while the FA sort Capellos future,so stand by for some big news,
Anyway guys what right did JT have holding that press conference,he is only a member of the squad.
PS this news came from someone who works for Chelsea FC.
dai 55

[BennytheBall]

As requested by Vori101! :-)

Two planes landed in ENGLAND today, one carrying 23 overpaid, under achieving,footballers with ego's to match their wallets...and the other seven men who's coffins were draped in the union jack, who died for this country.These are the real hero's we should be supporting, these men and women who give their lives so we...... can live in a free world. THESE ARE THE PRIDE OF BRITAIN.....R.I.P.

Vori
How true you are.

[Paul Hinge]

It will be interesting to see if any action is taken against JT when the FA meet to discuss the future of Copello. He did (allegedly) try to incite what ammounts to mutiny amongst the team. Mutiny as we know, was punishable by death in the services particularly at sea, it was that serious an offence. If the charge is correct, then JTs actions must be considered as a factor in the miserable final performance against the Germans and surely must face some sort of disciplinary action.

I think the French were a little over zealous sending Anelka home instead of dropping him to the sidelines but in the long term it hopefully it will have an effect on the "player power" situation that seems to be indemic in football today. OK the manager is not always right but, (as we did in the army) obey the orders at the time given and if there is a problem, readdress it later in private not to all and sundry. Perhaps it is possible, that the actions of JT and the scathing response of the public/media may very well serve to remind players in our premiership not to get ideas above their station and get on with the job they are paid/overpaid to do on the pitch. Once that goal is achieved (and the England team have some way to go) perhaps their views will be considered.

Should Capello go. My personal view is no. Ok perhaps some of his selections and positioning of players was suspect but surely he didn't tell his defence to all go up into the box and stay there, (given the German reputation at that point in the comp)....no that was down to player error and JT being the old hand and Ex-skipper knows it.

As for the players, well many of that team played their hearts out from the off and I think it is wrong to slap down guys who give of their best. It is unfortunate that many of them lost their form at a critical time but it happens. Look at other teams whose big names flatter to decieve at this World Cup and how many of them, play in our Premiership. Some believe that our premiership has left players tired, perhaps there is something in that.

England's performance was not only hopeless against the German's the whole campaign from just before their arrival in SA and during the group stages was just not good enough.
I put it down to the amount of football these players have to play throughout the season. Also,despite waxing lyrical about the skills of Gerrad, Lampard and Rooney they play in sides that are full onf non-English players and when you start looking at the quality of the rest then you're struggling to find any real world class quality.
When are we in the UK going to learn that to win competitions like World Cup or even the European Cup our players have to be comfortable on the ball?.....and ours are not. My 7 year old grandson asked me if the Engish side were the rugby team because alongside the Germans they looked muscle-bound and so huge as to look like rugby players not footballers. It's not just England either all our football teams are about power and size. I leave you with a final thought on this "Football is a game that humans complicate" and in the UK we really do complicate the game!:arghh:

[Dai 55]

I look at the phrase the real heroes we should be supporting,whilst i have enjoyed a little bit of bannter on the World cup subject,i am also off to Wotton bassett whenever i can to salute our troops home,the turn out is always fantastic from all over the country,Welsh,Irish,Scottish,English together as one,nobody can ever in my eyes compare anything against our brave troops who we are all so proud of,so it is not about should be supporting we do and always will.Sport is always a big talking issue and always will be.

Thanks
Dai55

ps Gwyn i heard you are living down Devon (true) i have a few contracts around that area.

[keithwill38]

I look at the phrase the real heroes we should be supporting,whilst i have enjoyed a little bit of bannter on the World cup subject,i am also off to Wotton bassett whenever i can to salute our troops home,the turn out is always fantastic from all over the country,Welsh,Irish,Scottish,English together as one,nobody can ever in my eyes compare anything against our brave troops who we are all so proud of,so it is not about should be supporting we do and always will.Sport is always a big talking issue and always will be.

Thanks
Dai55

ps Gwyn i heard you are living down Devon (true) i have a few contracts around that area.
Well i guess the Germany v Argentine result puts the England match into some sort of perspective.

[Gwyn Nicholas]

I agree Keith. The Germans were awesome again and made Argentina look second rate. If they do the same to Spain (and It would not suprise me after tonights game)
perhaps the credit should be given to the young German team rather than the total slating that England have recieved.

Dai if you have acontract out on me for this thread, I live on the Isle of Skye.

[keithwill38]

I agree Keith. The Germans were awesome again and made Argentina look second rate. If they do the same to Spain (and It would not suprise me after tonights game)
perhaps the credit should be given to the young German team rather than the total slating that England have recieved.

Dai if you have acontract out on me for this thread, I live on the Isle of Skye.
thats near Devon Gwyn isnt it lol:tongueicon:

[Dai 55]

Gwyn,
thats miles away,how did you end up there,i was only asking as i have a lot of work in Devon,i won a big contract with ASDA, recently so i will check the map,yes Germany were great yesterday i dont think anyone will stop them now,makes England look better,and rightly so the MANAGER kept his job.
Have A great day guys

dai 55

[Paul Hinge]

Gwyn,
thats miles away,how did you end up there,i was only asking as i have a lot of work in Devon,i won a big contract with ASDA, recently so i will check the map,yes Germany were great yesterday i dont think anyone will stop them now,makes England look better,and rightly so the MANAGER kept his job.
Have A great day guys

dai 55
I'm going to set the tounges wagging again. Germany were outstanding, Argentina had some very good individuals who could not gell as a team and I'm afraid England's performances were well below that of Argentina and they were a 6th rate side at best!

Hingey

[rikoshea]

lets just say I was hoping that the team of Premiership players, who play for teams you support each week maybe on the terreces or on sky or match of the day could do England and the league proud. However this did not happen and lets just say lost to a team that have brushed aside not only England, but much fancied Argentina. 4 - 0. now if you think the english press and country have gone hard on england then then think again read the press and what the people of argentina and brazil are now saying. Holland V Germany Final. And if Germany win then we'll hear at least we lost to the world champions.

[Gwyn Nicholas]

Hingey, the stats dont bear that statement out. Argentina a were looking good for the final in many eyes yet they failed to score against the mighty Germans. England scored (twice) against them. Reading yesterdays news about the rift that has gone on in the English camp I think it is fair to say they would have lost at that stage whoever they played. The fact that it was Germany, who may very well go on to be champions, serves only to save a little face. I still think that it is severe to blame the whole of the English team because one or two bad apples had throw their teddy bears out of the cot, and had come out to give a less than training ground performance. John Terry (for me) is the root cause of Englands failure. True, one man does not (or should not) make a team, but at international level when the slightest weakness or mistake makes the difference they were doomed to fail when JT mouthed off to the press. The Germans were confident about their chances before that so imagine what a boost they got with the press conference. The "Kaiser" must have been rubbing his hands together.

[Dai 55]

Hingey,
got to slightly disagree,with England being a 6th rate team,i thought when England levelled against Germany they had there tails up and were at that time playing the better football,however for whatever reason the goal was not given,and in the second half England had to go for it and were caught on the break,i certainly think it would have been a totally different game if the goal stood,however they were a better team than Argentina,as we already know the problem simply lies with the amount of foreign players in the premiership,how do the U21s get in a team NO CHANCE so were do England go from here as they certainly have the youth to come through and win something,Theo wallcott not going was no more than a mini disaster he would have upset any defence with his pace,

dai 55

[Paul Hinge]

Told you I'd get the touges whagging!
I'm sticking by my guns England were tired, listless and could only score by power plays. albeit Lampard's goal (disallowed) was a cracker. I'm afraid the team looked out of condition and more the build of a rugby player than a professional footballer on the World stage and they were found wanting. Did anyone watch the documentary on Gazza last night. That was a bunch of men who would have fought and died for each other. The England squad of 2010 were a shadow of that team!

Hingey

[Gwyn Nicholas]

Well now, it really is all over. For me, some of the football has been dire and many of the top players/teams should hang their heads. I truly believe that the ammount of money some of these guys earn is a reflection on how they play the game. They simply are not hungry enough. Many of the players from the poorer countries made their richer counterparts look like cart horses, playing with true spirit and pride even though on paper they did not have a hope of lifting the trophy at the end ofthe competition.
My choice of best player was Diego Forlan though the "pundits" disagreed last night. The reason I picked him (rather than a Spaniard), is because even though he was not surrounded by other highly rated players he was still outstanding with his passion for the game and his individual brilliance.
Spain I thought were excellent and deserved champions but the team (for me) was Germany. A young side with huge potential and I think the Spaniards may find them hard to beat come 2012 (European Championship). England could learn a lot from the Germans by putting some faith in the youngsters instead of sticking with the "experience" (at least Cappello did not play the Neville boys lol) Roll on 2012.

[Paul Hinge]

Gwyn
I agree entirely with your last post although Iniesta is really an outstanding player and he's stll young!

Hingey

[Dai 55]

Got to agree with Gwyn,Deigo forlan man of the tournament,simply because he done it with not a lot around him,and Germany will take some beating with that young squad come the europeans,anyway lets not forget England v Wales.

Dai 55

[Barry69]

I agree quite dire plenty of disappiontment but the Best Team won overall and Germany deserve congratulating on there entertaining attractive game, just loosing out (off day) 2012 will see them shine! Top Man for me too was Deigo Forlan for the same reasons leadership, drive, comitment and passion sourounded by average talent he shone! Iniesta was a star too but not as bright as Deigo Oh Yer and well done Japan!!!!!